SD on 23/7/2020 at 18:44
Quote Posted by Nicker
You are going to die. Are you willing to die for the economy? Saying they should die sooner to support the economy is sociopathic or at the very least, fucked up.
That's a grotesque misrepresentation of what I wrote.
Quote Posted by Nicker
But you didn't just acknowledge a sad inevitability, you valued the economy over the lives of the elderly. Feel free to withdraw, amend or explain your previous statements.
I said that wrecking the economy to try to delay something inevitable for a matter of months was crazy. I stand by it. A major depression will cost more lives than covid, and they won't be lives that were nearing their natural expiry date anyway.
Quote Posted by Nicker
That's a bold and vague assertion. Negligible in what sense? The risk for catching it, dying from it, transmitting it, being an asymptomatic carrier, suffering life altering effects from it or just killing some random granny because... economy?
I believe I included the pertinent statistics in my post.
SD on 23/7/2020 at 18:52
Quote Posted by SubJeff
You're just wrong SD.
Oh well, who can argue with bare assertions.
Quote Posted by heywood
And SD, did you ever consider that the reason why it's unlikely you'll catch the virus in the UK, and the reason why it's primarily killed the oldest and weakest is BECAUSE of the virus control measures?
No, because - get this - the virus was already dwindling BEFORE we went into lockdown.
Quote Posted by Thirith
Not just in the US. The conglomerate of 5- phobics, anti-vaxxers and "Muh freedoms!" anti-maskers (
there's definitely a discussion to be had about which masks work how well in what context, but that's not the discussion the majority of these people are even slightly interested in having)
No? Try me.
They started here by claiming that masks protect the individual wearing them, but since they have no evidence for that, they're now making it into a virtue signal - we all have to wear masks to protect others.
They haven't explained how masks which don't filter exhaled air are going to protect anyone.
Sulphur on 23/7/2020 at 19:45
Quote Posted by SD
No, because - get this - the virus was already dwindling BEFORE we went into lockdown.
So you're asserting that the lockdown was unnecessary because infections were eventually going to go disappear anyway, just slower sans lockdown?
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They started here by claiming that masks protect the individual wearing them, but since they have no evidence for that, they're now making it into a virtue signal - we all have to wear masks to protect others.
They haven't explained how masks which don't filter exhaled air are going to protect anyone.
What's to argue about this? It's understood that the evidence for the virus being airborne isn't, er, airtight, and what we do know is that contact with droplets and the like are the likeliest transmission factors for infection. We also know that with a disease that has asymptomatic carriers it's for the best if everyone doesn't assume the people around them are as invincible as they may or may not be.
heywood on 23/7/2020 at 20:19
SD - you're so full of shit. UK went into lockdown on Mar 23. The rate of new cases reached a peak on Apr 7, two weeks after the start of lockdown, pretty much exactly when it was expected to. It stayed more or less flat through the end of April and then started going down.
As for masks, the internet is full of articles about their effectiveness. Here's is a survey article from the Lancet that summarizes the current body of research:
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
If you actually need to see a demonstration:
[video=youtube_share;kbTpYwSLUR4]https://youtu.be/kbTpYwSLUR4[/video]
Thor on 23/7/2020 at 20:29
I've sang a jingle to my girlfriend since the pandemic hype hit months back.
It went like the beginning of
[video=youtube;niKT-kJfUz4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niKT-kJfUz4[/video]
But with:
Code:
Coro coro coro coro
Coro coro coro coro
Nana nana nana nana
Nana nana nana nana
Nothing overly original (obviously), but it seemed to fit and to my own surprise, still fits just as well today.
Nicker on 23/7/2020 at 20:38
SD - not every elderly person at risk is laying in a vegetative state waiting to be unplugged. Even those poor folks have caregivers and family who are at risk of catching COVID transmitted through the vector of care homes.
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I believe I included the pertinent statistics in my post.
You cherry picked some numbers that you apparently don't understand.
Tony_Tarantula on 23/7/2020 at 20:48
Quote Posted by heywood
SD - you're so full of shit. UK went into lockdown on Mar 23. The rate of new cases reached a peak on Apr 7, two weeks after the start of lockdown, pretty much exactly when it was expected to. It stayed more or less flat through the end of April and then started going down.
As for masks, the internet is full of articles about their effectiveness. Here's is a survey article from the Lancet that summarizes the current body of research:
(
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
]
Yes. Lockdowns work. The virus could be eliminated if we did a strict, GPS enforced, stay at home order enforced by the National Guard. It would be that simple and a competent leader (literally anyone other than Trump like any of Europe's female PMs) would have done that.
Nicker on 23/7/2020 at 22:13
Tony. When I wrote "Straw man much?" it was a rhetorical question, not demand for more.
faetal on 24/7/2020 at 01:08
Quote Posted by SD
No, because - get this - the virus was already dwindling BEFORE we went into lockdown.
That's fucking insane, and literally ignores the basic way that human transmissible viruses work.
In what universe does a virus just go away apropos of fuck all?
Thirith on 24/7/2020 at 09:40
SD, your dismissal (or wilful ignorance) of research into masks and what they're good for with a glib comment about virtue signalling doesn't exactly speak to your ability or willingness to really discuss this. In the meantime, I'm happy to stick with what a majority of experts seem to agree with, namely that masks go some way towards protecting others.