Azaran on 22/7/2020 at 23:11
If we consider people who never have symptoms, some estimates I've seen put at 90% the number of infected people who recover without lasting issues.
You think that's a good thing? Let's put it into perspective.
It means you have a 1/10 chance of having permanent disabilities (organ damage, clots, etc), or dying. It means if you know 10 people infected, one will either die or be handicapped for the rest of their lives (young people included). Taking dumb risks with this is therefore like playing Russian roulette with a few extra blanks
heywood on 22/7/2020 at 23:25
Pitting virus containment against economic recovery is a false dichotomy. Our economies aren't going back to normal until the virus is no longer a threat, which means gone or at least contained to a level where people are at very low risk of being infected through community spreading. There are examples around the world to prove that the virus can be contained to that extent.
There are also examples, like half of the US and a few parts of Europe, which demonstrate that if you ease restrictions too quickly before you've contained community spreading, you can end up right back at square one, having nothing to show for the sacrifices you made during the lockdowns. And then there's Melbourne, demonstrating that even if you've gotten rid of the community spreading, you still need to remain vigilant with your contact tracing and isolation protocols.
And SD, did you ever consider that the reason why it's unlikely you'll catch the virus in the UK, and the reason why it's primarily killed the oldest and weakest is BECAUSE of the virus control measures?
One reason why going to the supermarket is a low risk activity is that there very few people out there walking around with COVID-19. The probability that you're going to run into someone contagious is pretty low. But if you let the virus go unrestrained, suddenly the majority of the people in the supermarket will be contagious and it might not be so safe to go out and get essentials anymore. Let's say 25% of the population has a risk factor associated with COVID-19 deaths, e.g. old age, heart disease, diabetes, etc. If the virus is prevalent, that's 25% of the population who are going to drop out of the economy and stay home as much as possible. Actually, it will be more than just individuals at risk. There will be plenty of other sensible people minimizing their activity as well, either out of caution, or to protect relatives who are at risk. How do you think that's going to work for economic recovery?
Renzatic on 23/7/2020 at 05:39
In order.
More people will die, but it won't see numbers as high as what we did during the last great pandemic. Though in a worst case scenario, the US could match its Spanish Flu death toll of 500,000 people.
No, this won't lead to a war with China. They're testing their boundaries, but they know as well as anyone that a war with the western powers won't benefit anyone.
Yeah, we'll have a working vaccine at some point. The only question is whether it mutates wildly enough to necessitate a yearly shot, like the flu, or if it's just an occasional thing.
I don't think it'll be Great Depression bad, but we'll have a decent recession that'll last a year or so. On a good note, the Dow Jones has already recovered due to Washington dumping trillions on them.
SubJeff on 23/7/2020 at 06:56
Just posting to say, what heywood said.
The problem with the UK is a large section of the population won't do what is socially responsible. They need hard rules and the government is too scared to impose them. Thatcher would've done it.
Compare this to South Korea or Taiwan, where the sense of national cohesion means the majority make an effort.
And let's not even start on the sense, or not, of the UK BLM protests.
Starker on 23/7/2020 at 07:22
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SubJeff on 23/7/2020 at 07:45
I will say one thing about this pandemic - it's really brought out some top tier crazies in the USA. I'm talking reaaaal peaches, the crème de la crème. High quality bs.
If it weren't ultimately so dangerous it'd be hilarious.
And if the virus we more lethal it'd be apocalyptically Darwinian.
Thirith on 23/7/2020 at 08:00
Not just in the US. The conglomerate of 5- phobics, anti-vaxxers and "Muh freedoms!" anti-maskers (there's definitely a discussion to be had about which masks work how well in what context, but that's not the discussion the majority of these people are even slightly interested in having) has come out of the woodworks everywhere. Though yes, the sheer numbers in the US are impressive - but then, if they've got so many people in government enabling them, it's not a complete surprise.
SubJeff on 23/7/2020 at 08:20
Sure, look at SD itt.
But the USA has the best ones.
Judith on 23/7/2020 at 10:13
Is this ad for real? :( How much of a shithead you have to be to place something like that in a public space.
heywood on 23/7/2020 at 12:46
No, those were ads for a 2012 TV miniseries called Hunted. It was around the anniversary of Occupy Wall Street.