Renzatic on 29/6/2020 at 19:56
JESUS, FAETAL? WHAT THE FUCK?
nickie on 29/6/2020 at 19:59
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[EDIT] Holy fuck, sorry for triple-posting. Slow news day I guess.
Well I was about to politely request lowenz to cease and desist with the quadruple posting but you've rather spoilt that. (Insert grin here)
faetal on 29/6/2020 at 20:46
Piglick still holds the record I think.
Gryzemuis on 29/6/2020 at 20:55
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I don't think anyone really knows what lowenz has been saying. Possibly not even lownez.
So you're all ganging up on Lowenz, and nobody knows exactly why.
Not very nice of all of you.
Renault on 29/6/2020 at 20:59
Read the thread. They've all been here, and you haven't.
But I believe the jist of it is, he's been speaking as an expert when he isn't one.
Tocky on 30/6/2020 at 01:10
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So you're all ganging up on Lowenz, and nobody knows exactly why.
Not very nice of all of you.
If you want to defend him then read his shit and do so. Don't ask us to do your homework and then make accusations when we don't. If you want nice then visit your grandma. The guy is pompously wanting us to take what he says as truth while proclaiming we shouldn't have truth as an end goal and also that you can't trust science because of mad scientists. Does that make sense to you? Then defend him. Seriously, he sounds like the first year philosophy student Matt Damon hands his hat to in Good Will Hunting except with less charm. All I have done and most everyone here is answer his accusations which are so muddled there is only guesswork as to his meaning. Read or be lazy but don't make out we are "ganging up" on him without putting in a little effort to understand.
Gryzemuis on 30/6/2020 at 10:41
After some consideration, I've come to the conclusion that all the native English speakers here are awesome, and have an awesome understanding of science and the real world. It's those other folks, not from the Anglo Saxon world, who are clueless. Have a nice day.
Tocky on 30/6/2020 at 12:06
So you are still making accusations without bothering to read. Great. Tell you what, keep making assumptions on no information and call yourself a scientist. With science there is peer review that works quite well. It weeds out those who just make assumptions on no information without putting in the effort to know what they are talking about.
Thirith on 30/6/2020 at 12:30
To be fair, peer review has been criticised a lot in recent years because all too often it isn't done particularly well, also because scientists have been conditioned (by universities, funders, politics, media etc.) to behave in a number of less than helpful ways. But that's generally peer review *as practiced*, not the general principle itself, and most of what I've seen and read is about how peer review needs to change, not that it should be abolished in favour of a different, better system. Same with science and the scientific method. There's a lot of misconduct, toxic behaviours and lopsided incentive structures that, to be addressed, would need to be revised from the ground up, but that's mainly about the current institutions, mechanisms and processes, less about the underlying principles. And if the critique is basically a more verbose version of "Well, people are a bit shit, aren't they?", then that's neither incisive nor particularly helpful. The more specific one's understanding of the shortcomings of scientific processes and institution, the more they actually bring something to the table. Grand sweeping statements tend to be so much wank.
Gryzemuis on 30/6/2020 at 12:46
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So you are still making accusations without bothering to read.
So nobody wants to state exactly what we're discussing here. "You figure it out. Until you paid your dues, you don't count. Put in the sweat. Sweat is the most important". Nice scientific path. That attitude is gonna progress humanity.
This is not a scientific magazine. We are not writing scientific papers here. I can read as little as I want here. And I can write as much as I want here.
