Phatose on 20/6/2020 at 01:04
Yeah, looking over that list of 7 things I see exactly 1 thing that I wouldn't expect to happen with a completely natural virus (#3) and I suspect the only reason I wouldn't expect it is because it's nonsensical. The others read like "Guy in Trump administration makes unsupported over the top claim, again, film at 11", "Man finds list of people he'd hire were he to do some nefarious shit, because fantasy football got boring", and "We find one guy who claims this is bioweapon, because it's hard to find one person in the world who will claim any random claim.
So, question. If I were to attempt to prove to you it wasn't an engineered bioweapon, or even a naturally occurring virus being used as a weapon, what proof could I give you that would satisfy you?
nbohr1more on 20/6/2020 at 01:54
Quote Posted by Phatose
Yeah, looking over that list of 7 things I see exactly 1 thing that I wouldn't expect to happen with a completely natural virus (#3) and I suspect the only reason I wouldn't expect it is because it's nonsensical. The others read like "Guy in Trump administration makes unsupported over the top claim, again, film at 11", "Man finds list of people he'd hire were he to do some nefarious shit, because fantasy football got boring", and "We find one guy who claims this is bioweapon, because it's hard to find one person in the world who will claim any random claim.
So, question. If I were to attempt to prove to you it wasn't an engineered bioweapon, or even a naturally occurring virus being used as a weapon, what proof could I give you that would satisfy you?
1) John Brennan's covid-19 infected corpse.
2) David Brock's covid-19 infected corpse. (etc, any member of the coup crew)
3) Leaked emails with NIH scientists from this list:
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/fifty-four-scientists-have-lost-their-jobs-result-nih-probe-foreign-ties)
4) FOIA releases with all emails from various 3 letter agencies comments on this topic
5) NSA leaks that equate to item 4
Renzatic on 20/6/2020 at 03:48
So basically you're assuming it's a bioengineered weapon until someone proves to you that it's not.
Though you are ignoring the one biggest thing here: that coronavirus is fairly shit as a bioweapon, only capable of temporary, short term disruption, and is a threat primarily to the elderly and infirmed, leaving those of fighting age, and in positions of command relatively untouched.
Phatose on 20/6/2020 at 04:21
OK, so conditions which, if you're wrong and the virus is just a normal, garden variety pathogen, will contain no smoking gun, no point at which I can say "See? There is nothing there or anywhere" because you can always just claim the data we have is incomplete.
There is no fail state. It's not falsifiable. That means it's utterly meaningless.
Well, you're entitled to make conjectures I suppose. I'm going to ignore them though, because there is no difference between a universe where it's true, and a universe where it's false.
nbohr1more on 20/6/2020 at 04:54
Quote Posted by Renzatic
So basically you're assuming it's a bioengineered weapon until someone proves to you that it's not.
Though you are ignoring the one biggest thing here: that coronavirus is fairly shit as a bioweapon, only capable of temporary, short term disruption, and is a threat primarily to the elderly and infirmed, leaving those of fighting age, and in positions of command relatively untouched.
Interesting how the pathogen's target overlaps:
1) Trump's voting block (elderly)
2) Pesky "pre-existing condition" folk who make the financial issues with "Medicare for All" moot
Renzatic on 20/6/2020 at 04:55
Quote Posted by Phatose
There is no fail state. It's not falsifiable. That means it's utterly meaningless.
Prove that the evidence you're presenting isn't falsified data fed to you by those who perpetrate the conspiracy in order to protect itself. Prove that you're not brainwashed into believing this falsified data, unknowingly acting as a tool of conspiracy to spread itself.
nbohr1more on 20/6/2020 at 05:00
Quote Posted by Phatose
OK, so conditions which, if you're wrong and the virus is just a normal, garden variety pathogen, will contain no smoking gun, no point at which I can say "See? There is nothing there or anywhere" because you can always just claim the data we have is incomplete.
There is no fail state. It's not falsifiable. That means it's utterly meaningless.
Well, you're entitled to make conjectures I suppose. I'm going to ignore them though, because there is no difference between a universe where it's true, and a universe where it's false.
What?
If we have all communications collected then it would not be possible to conceal a conspiracy. If we had full disclosure and there was no communication about virus engineering or deployment
you would be vindicated. The NSA collects it all. Voice-to-text, and all electronic media.
Why would I choose these criteria?
Because everything else can be deep-faked with AI.
We need a digital forensics trail.
Renzatic on 20/6/2020 at 05:00
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
Interesting how the pathogen's target overlaps:
1) Trump's voting block (elderly)
So why isn't Trump doing everything in his power to protect the core of his voting base, instead of dismissing it as overhyped, and demanding we reopen the economy sooner rather than later?
Quote:
2) Pesky "pre-existing condition" folk who make the financial issues with "Medicare for All" moot
Okay, so we're allowing a manufactured virus created by the Chinese to run loose across the world, killing those with preexisting conditions, in order to financially justify a healthcare system that literally the rest of the world has had in place for decades now, and has long since been proven to handily support those with preexisting conditions.
Did I get that right, or am I missing The Catch?
Renzatic on 20/6/2020 at 05:13
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
If we have all communications collected then it would not be possible to conceal a conspiracy. If we had full disclosure and there was no communication about virus engineering or deployment
you would be vindicated. The NSA collects it all. Voice-to-text, and all electronic media.
Ask the pope for a blowjob while you're at it.
lowenz on 20/6/2020 at 07:09
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
I don't think you can nail-down a timeline because this virus was meant to be deployed in a way that would progress like a natural pandemic.
The closest you might get is somewhere near the latest impeachment run November\December.
Now, there is really no need for it to be an "engineered" virus. Humans have been using natural bioweapons since the bronze age:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_biological_warfare)
but I am inclined to think this one was engineered because of:
1) The lockdown. We have never in history treated any pandemic like this
2)
Mike Pompeo initially called it a bio-weapon3) The virus has deployment phases that require self-destruction and a certain amount of predictive design
4) George Webb found some virus researchers who match the profile of who you would engage for this work
5)
Now this Forbes article had a researcher who claims it is a bioweapon6)
"NEW" a research lab sponsored by Hillary Clinton's campaign manager came out of the woodwork to say "Not a bioweapon"7)
All the parrot news agencies went into panic mode about George Webb's statements and wrote think pieces about how "dangerous" his speculations areNbohr, this simply proves that every event on this political-forsaken world is manipulated for "the democracy" by the think tanks of the parties, it proves nothings about the nature of SARS2.
You're simply not seeing that politicians manipulate everything to conquer consensus, they feed paranoia/bash with antiparanoia to promote their agendas.
The same here in Italy, it's simply how the democratic politics work.
1) Lockdown reason=China did it so we did it too because you know, it's simpler to follow and correct other state moves than to go blind.
3) You're seriously? We can't even design that technology. It's *impossible* And it's stupid to make a biological weapon based on a virus and not on the "good old" anthrax. It's not how weapon designers operate, think about Hiroshima: no "non-sense" approach, maximize the damage. Your interpretation is even less possible and real than the "multiple phases planning design".
