Renzatic on 20/5/2020 at 19:40
Quote Posted by jkcerda
EXACTLY Sulphur, your retard views are one size fits all, YOU know better than anyone else and what YOU should do should be forced down everyone's throat no matter what situation they are in.........
Thing is, your own argument is forcing a situation down everyone's throats. Forcing people to go to work, risking their health to afford living isn't any better than forcing people to stay home, and risking their livelihoods.
The notion that we should let the people work who want to work, and let those stay home who want to isn't workable. The situation will only serve to create the worst case scenario, where a bunch of people get sick, our hospitals are swamped, the economy still takes a beating, and people still lose their jobs and houses. It's fucky no matter what we do, and no one seems to be looking for a 3rd solution here.
I mean, we could be doing what some of the European countries are doing, freezing the economy, paying people 80% of their normal pay over two-three months, and trying to guarantee their jobs as best as humanly possible. Their budgets will take a beating in the short term, and there will be some lost jobs, but they'll probably bounce back pretty quick.
...that seems better than our "Here's a month's rent, after this, we're gonna shunt you out the door, and hope for the best" approach.
jkcerda on 20/5/2020 at 19:51
Sulphur & Judith, Nick?? anyone else NOT in the US. what YOU do in YOUR countries is YOUR problem, I am NOT suggesting things change for YOUR respective countries, if what your countries are doing is working out for YOU? then AWESOME. if not? then that is between you and your the govt of your country, my apologies for not specifying US policy.
Renz, got limited time, I'll address your post in a bit. CAN you and Suphur jump to the post where I have suggested anything specific? cause I think I am yet to do so.
jkcerda on 20/5/2020 at 20:11
Quote Posted by Renzatic
1.Thing is, your own argument is forcing a situation down everyone's throats. Forcing people to go to work, risking their health to afford living isn't any better than forcing people to stay home, and risking their livelihoods.
2.The notion that we should let the people work who want to work, and let those stay home who want to isn't workable. The situation will only serve to create the worst case scenario, where a bunch of people get sick, our hospitals are swamped, the economy still takes a beating, and people still lose their jobs and houses. It's fucky no matter what we do, and no one seems to be looking for a 3rd solution here.
3.I mean, we could be doing what some of the European countries are doing, freezing the economy, paying people 80% of their normal pay over two-three months, and trying to guarantee their jobs as best as humanly possible. Their budgets will take a beating in the short term, and there will be some lost jobs, but they'll probably bounce back pretty quick.
4....that seems better than our "Here's a month's rent, after this, we're gonna shunt you out the door, and hope for the best" approach.
1. I am NOT forcing anything on anyone, those who can afford to stay home by all means should do so, got to say the only thing I miss are theaters and that in it of itself is not the end of the world, what I DON'T support is the current level of bullshit where people are getting fined and put in jail for trying to make a living based on THEIR circumstances. your fear should NOT have that much control over my rights.
2. yes it is, we are free to go to the market if we need anything, plenty have been going to work w/o much problems, any yob that provides for a family is essential to THEM. if the city chooses to keep parks/beaches and other areas controlled by the cities closed then I don't have much of a problem with that. they do need to fuck off and let the people go to work .
3 fucking socialist, I knew it............................ wait we tried that and many did not get the loan and some are turning in the loan because of all the bullshit it in. like I said my boss is looking to return it and obviously having 30 million unemployed and counting means plenty did not get the loan to begin with.
4 we got 1200 bucks, great in Alabama and a joke in CA/NY/IL.
Renzatic on 20/5/2020 at 20:15
I'd respond, but I'm about to eat this homemade chicken sandwich, watch some movies, then take off on my bike when the rain lets up.
It will have to wait.
But I will respond to 3. The ~2.5 trillion bailout we've already spent? The hell you think that is? Though those loans are only for small businesses, not the average 9-5 employee. Even then, a lot of big businesses managed to sneak in, and grab a good chunk for themselves.
If there's one thing you can say about our leadership in DC, it's that we have no real leadership. Sure as fuck no one with any managerial skills.
Now, I eat my chicken.
Starker on 20/5/2020 at 22:24
Ironically, most of the US supports the containment strategy over the "let the virus run rampant and kill people" strategy.
Even to the point where Lord Dampnut was whining that the governors are stealing away approval ratings that rightfully belong to him.
jkcerda on 20/5/2020 at 22:42
source to your claims Starker.
bob_doe_nz on 21/5/2020 at 07:10
Meanwhile we've had low to no new cases here down under in Middle Earth for the (
https://nzcoviddashboard.esr.cri.nz/#!/) past few days. Stark contrast to what is happening overseas.
Starker on 21/5/2020 at 08:27
What has the lockdown ever done for US?
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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/498303-stay-at-home-orders-saved-hundreds-of-thousands-report-finds)
A new analysis says nearly 250,000 people in the nation's 30 largest cities are alive today because of strict stay-at-home orders issued by local and state governments.
The report, from the Urban Health Collaborative at the Dornsife School of Public Health at Drexel University, found the stay-at-home orders likely reduced the number of coronavirus deaths by 232,878 and prevented 2.1 million people from requiring hospitalization.
The analysis calculated the number of deaths caused by the coronavirus versus a model compiled by mathematicians Gabriel Goh and Steven De Keninck that showed what might have happened had Americans not taken the drastic social distancing steps that governors and local elected officials have ordered and encouraged over the last few months.
The figures are estimates, but they are meant to illustrate the positive effects such sacrifices have created, said Jennifer Kolker, associate dean for public health practice at the Dornsife School.
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