Thirith on 17/5/2020 at 17:54
This is Switzerland, where we have both the money and the political will to put money in research, but I think it's been similar in various countries. I work at the biggest national funding agency and when the pandemic started, we launched not one but two calls for proposals more or less in record time. There was no question about the money whatsoever. The numbers of proposals were incredibly high compared to our regular calls. Most of our partner organisations in other countries are asking us to do joint calls with them with a focus on COVID-19. My impression is that this is where research funders are finding it relatively easy to get money and to justify their existence, so I'm not surprised there are so many teams who quickly got the necessary resources and are already working on vaccines- though I expect it'll still be a while before there are any major successes.
TTK12G3 on 17/5/2020 at 20:45
Quote Posted by SubJeff
I think many responses to this have been pretty shambolic. Ours, in the UK, and the USA of course.
I think the federal government finally made peace with the fact that they are totally incapable of doing anything right, so they are pushing the "this is the price of freedom" line, and patting everyone on the back and exclaiming "mission accomplished". The final push appeared to be to force the economy open, but most people are making due without going back to restaurants and stuff.
SubJeff on 19/5/2020 at 01:14
Yeah, but the answer to that is "only the lucky ones".
Nicker on 19/5/2020 at 15:08
This is not a joke. This is an actual graph released by the US CEA. Note the apparent choice of the Sharpie line type for the critical data.
Inline Image:
https://i.redd.it/yygu1ip671x41.pngAnd Cubic Fit is not a personal gym, (
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21250641/kevin-hassett-cubic-model-smoothing) it is a method for manipulating data so it fits your narrative, a standard feature in EXEL.
Quote:
Nate Silver, a professional builder of quantitative models, immediately (and, as it turns out, presciently) guessed/joked that the story of Hassett's model was that he plugged some numbers into an Excel file and then had the computer draw lines until he got an optimistic forecast.
And BTW, this "econometric" narrative was not produced by the CDC but by White House economists led by Kevin Hassett. That's right, the CDC's Covid19 models were discarded and rewritten by economists, presumably with side gigs as infectious disease specialists.
Tony_Tarantula on 19/5/2020 at 15:47
I kind of hate to have to do this, but I do want to point out one thing where I made a very correct prediction:
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
The right wing has learned a lesson that is extremely dangerous: show up armed. I'm seeing significant chatter to the effect that the right wing has now noticed that the moment they start showing up to events while heavily armed ANTIFA becomes a non-entity and the government just backs down and lets the protest go on unimpeded. ANTIFA had rallied and brought people into Charlotte (they were even checking names on boarding points to ensure control over who attended) and none of them got anywhere near the protest.
Expect right wing rallies to increasingly involve large numbers of armed attendees because the perception now exist "if we bring guns they leave us alone".That's why it's important to follow what's going on with these nut jobs. They're dangerous, and unstable and it is important to understand what they're going to do so you can either avoid trouble spots or resist them depending on your own personal risk profile.
Given that the death rate for COVID is probably 11% (Italy) it's a moral imperative to "resist" and as Sun Tzu says you need to know your enemy.
Quote Posted by SubJeff
I think many responses to this have been pretty shambolic. Ours, in the UK, and the USA of course. I'm more impressed by the European mainland. I though the Italians were making a hash of it, especially with the number of doctors that have died, but on reflection I think they, and the Spanish and French, have done a good job.
Coincidentally three of my favourite countries to visit on holiday and all places I've got on my list of Countries One Could Retire in.
I have, however, been really impressed with all these efforts to make a vaccine. Amazing that so many different trials are taking place already. I know it's not a co-ordinated response but it does give one a little bit of hope for humanity.
Notice how the best responses are all from "Socialist" countries? More than ever before we have good examples of why single payer healthcare systems are just better.
jkcerda on 19/5/2020 at 22:11
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
I kind of hate to have to do this, but I do want to point out one thing where I made a very correct prediction:
That's why it's important to follow what's going on with these nut jobs. They're dangerous, and unstable and it is important to understand what they're going to do so you can either avoid trouble spots or resist them depending on your own personal risk profile.
Given that the death rate for COVID is probably 11% (Italy) it's a moral imperative to "resist" and as Sun Tzu says you need to know your enemy.
Notice how the best responses are all from "Socialist" countries? More than ever before we have good examples of why single payer healthcare systems are just better.
no guns? here you go
[video=youtube;6AdDLhPwpp4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4[/video]
single payers systems are over run with 1000's dead.
here nurses are making tik tok videos and getting laid of ................
[video=youtube;f91XlfZ4S6I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f91XlfZ4S6I[/video]
under 300k dead GLOBALLY. the fear and numbers did not materialize.
Renzatic on 19/5/2020 at 23:48
We're just shy of 100,000 fatalities. We lead the world in number of dead.
Now tell me that the numbers are inflated, or that we're a big country, so OF COURSE the numbers are gonna be larger than anywhere else. Those are usually the two go-to excuses.
jkcerda on 20/5/2020 at 00:00
(
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm)
67k from inflated bullshit guidelines..................
we don't have more deaths than China where it originated, we have more bullshit made up numbers .
this is from lefty leaning "fact" check
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/)
Quote:
It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate).
