Gryzemuis on 10/5/2020 at 16:48
Demagogue. I don't know where NeoTokyo is, but don't they have doctors there ? Why do you not go see a doctor ? Your General Practitioner or a specialist in the hospital.
I think the general rule (in most countries) is: when you get symptoms, stay at home, isolate yourself, and wait till it gets over or it gets more serious. I think you're past that stage now, no ? From what your write, it doesn't look like it's going away by itself. Normally people who get symptoms feel bad for a few days, a week at most, and then recover. If not, I don't think you're supposed to wait. Go see a docter, and keep safe !
lowenz on 10/5/2020 at 17:41
The "itching" (all over the body) he's describing is due to the immune system response, maybe to the second exposure to the virus.
If the immune system doesn't go mad (so no disease in this case) these reactive symptoms will go away in some days.
If not, go see a physician and go for the blood test and, after that, the test in the throat / nose mucosa!
Your physician can prescribe a lung x-ray imaging examination too (the Covid-19 pattern is now automatically recognized by the AI too :p ).
Remember that both the virus AND the immune system can damage not only the lungs but the heart (and the kidney) too.....so after sometimes:
1) ECG Holter
2) Echocardiography
and you're golden (and in perfect shape I hope!)
zombe on 10/5/2020 at 21:27
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Maybe I'm too pessimistic.
But I'm not unrealistic.
Maybe. However, our ability to treat the disease everywhere is constantly improving and US is very late to the game and benefits from that quite a bit. Also, some probably very minor help from crowd immunity for troublespots... example: 1.7%+ of NY (state) has been positively tested for the virus - if untested positives would be 10 times as much then thous numbers get pretty considerable. Now also consider that thous values are for the whole state - numbers within hotspots are even better in regards of slowing the virus down (ie. not enough for actual crowd immunity, but possibly high enough to have a noticeable effect). Also, i think the majority of the actual people of US take this shit seriously. Behavior of the majority will help a lot in keeping the spread rate down even if the federal government is fucking up everything at every step. At least i have some hopes for US. Please, guys, don't fuck it up any more than it already is.
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Situation in our little tin-pot country ...
The general exit strategy plan for the restrictions was publicized April 22 (concerns to deal with / situation tracking ability and metrics) - quite a few restrictions were lifted even before that. So, started to loosen up the restrictions a while ago. One step at a time (One of the most important steps, immho, was passed a few days ago ... just in time - i was about to give myself a haircut. So, that is at least one major disaster averted). It seems that when anything goes wrong then that will take almost a week to be detectable - so far nothing happened (seemingly stable influx of new detected cases in single digits). Obviously, this cannot last - the hope is that it can be kept under workable limits.
I bet every country in Europe is similarily shitting bricks over this whole situation.
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Since the combined country (CC) of Italy+Spain+Germany+France+UK has essentially the same pop count as USA - and thous are
the worst per-pop countries of considerable size in Europe - it is good for comparison.
US/CC stats:
@ cases: 1.28 from 1.03 (that is 16 days before when US case count first surpassed CC). CC reaches its 1mil case milestone a few days ago.
@ daily case count has risen to 2.65 (week average) from 2.28 the week before and much less before that - CC case count is falling and US has been mostly constant with minor drop over weeks (both CC and US have strong weekly cycle for both new cases and new deaths).
@ deaths: 0.65 from 0.53 (16 days before) - which is curious. From what i can see it seems to stem from the initial surprise - Europe fucked up big time (well, to be fair, i intentionally picked countries for CC by the top worst per-pop case count - ie, CC is essentially 5 times NY region). US has had a much better initial state as only NY exploded and the rest had a massive forewarning which slowed things down.
@ daily deaths has risen to 1.44 (week average) from 1.11 the week before and well below 1.0 before that. While deaths in US have been
consistently going down for weeks (ie. don't be fooled by the weekly cycle - the numbers are going down - hoping this week will be another record low), CC is going down
much faster and has been doing that for much longer.
@ tests reached 0.83 (week average) from 0.86 the week before - CC is just doing more testing, but not by much. Also, most of them (CC) only release their testing counts weekly - which is annoying, but averaging helps. Buuuuuut ... see next stat ...
@ total cases per tests reached 1.56 from 1.32 (10 days before). Ie, doing a shit-ton more testing per cases cumulatively - this also contains considerable amount of antibody testing (For example, Spain has been doing thous for quite some time). So, CC is looking
a lot harder and finding
a lot less at the same time in comparison to US. One of thous gives hope for maintainable reopening - the other does not seem to be getting anywhere.
CC numbers have been going down for many weeks - with the sole exception of UK. The daily case count for UK is pretty much a flat line like US. Deaths are similar, but have a small downward incline - matching considerable upward daily testing count trend. The same is visible for US too - but the trend angles are much smaller. Why are US and UK so similar? Would mistake thous two for each other - but death rate is very high for UK. Was the highest in CC by considerable margin (*) and is currently still over twice the US.
US situation is troubling (flatline when they are "trying" bodes bad for future), but CC is definitely not out of it either - just managed to gain a bit more playing room and ease the situation.
*) Has been going down for a week or so and about to reach / reached France numbers which are equally horrible.
demagogue on 11/5/2020 at 01:15
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Demagogue. I don't know where NeoTokyo is, but don't they have doctors there ? Why do you not go see a doctor ? Your General Practitioner or a specialist in the hospital.
It's the capital of Japan. I've been seeing a cardiologist for 6 weeks now, actually 2 of them. I got the virus 6 weeks ago, so they tell me the virus part should definitely be over with and this is residual issues one has after a big infection that are common. But they're still learning about the virus, so who knows, but it fits what they're saying about nerve weirdness following an infection.
And to answer lowenz, this isn't a new thing; it's the same symptoms playing out in the same way I've had for 6 weeks now, just in a slightly different form. I already wore the ECG Holter 5 weeks ago and the blood test and Echocardiography 4 weeks ago, and I already know my heart and blood is physically normal, except for a high white blood cell count. I don't know about my lungs yet, although outside of the episodes (itchy or fluttering feeling for a few hours) my breathing is fine.
Tocky on 11/5/2020 at 03:00
I'm just glad you are still with us.
lowenz on 11/5/2020 at 07:24
Quote Posted by demagogue
It's the capital of Japan. I've been seeing a cardiologist for 6 weeks now, actually 2 of them. I got the virus 6 weeks ago, so they tell me the virus part should definitely be over with and this is residual issues one has after a big infection that are common. But they're still learning about the virus, so who knows, but it fits what they're saying about nerve weirdness following an infection.
And to answer lowenz, this isn't a new thing; it's the same symptoms playing out in the same way I've had for 6 weeks now, just in a slightly different form. I already wore the ECG Holter 5 weeks ago and the blood test and Echocardiography 4 weeks ago, and I already know my heart and blood is physically normal, except for a high white blood cell count. I don't know about my lungs yet, although outside of the episodes (itchy or fluttering feeling for a few hours) my breathing is fine.
It's good man! If the infection+immune reaction did not damage the heart (the kidney damage always happens during the acute phase) you're OK :)
In my case itching+burning face (red) for 2 days 1 month after the infection (SARS2? What else, but surely I got a viral infection in mid february), maybe due to hyperaemia and immune response all over the body.
And got some *remarkable* heart rate overshoots too.
Now, after
another month from the last body irregularities, it's all fine.
demagogue on 11/5/2020 at 08:55
Thanks, I'm glad to be here too. I'll be even more glad when all my issues finally stop for good.
Quote Posted by Starker
Uh, doesn't look very safe over there:
Akira is actually getting referenced a lot here these days.
There are places around Tokyo where kids are putting up this sign from the movie:
Inline Image:
https://i.imgur.com/XDhdYuy.jpgIt says "147 Days until the opening of the Tokyo Olympics" when of course the apocalypse happened and cancelled it and everything else.
The graffiti says chushi da, chushi, "it's over, it's over", edit: or as Starker reminds me to be a bit more accurate, "it's cancelled, it's cancelled".
You can imagine why it's so popular for people to copy these days.
The movie was pretty close too; Tokyo is the 32nd Olympics and this advertises it as the 30th.
Starker on 11/5/2020 at 11:20
Yeah, that's funny. "With everyone's help, let's make it a success." Even funnier, though, the graffiti underneath says, "Smash it into pieces" and "Cancel it".
Gryzemuis on 11/5/2020 at 11:56
Quote Posted by demagogue
I wish I could talk to people (trained people with medical degrees) that have experience with this whole thing that could give me a little insight about what I should be expecting and doing, because right now I'm just getting fragmented snippets of information and don't know how established they are, nor does it actually give me guidance what I should be doing in my state.
This is why I wondered if you had actually seen a doctor. Good to hear you did.
Quote Posted by demagogue
It's the capital of Japan.
I heard of Tokyo before. :) (I watch Sumo). I just didn't know whether NeoTokyo was Tokyo, some other real place, or something made up.
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I've been seeing a cardiologist for 6 weeks now, actually 2 of them. I got the virus 6 weeks ago, so they tell me the virus part should definitely be over with and this is residual issues one has after a big infection that are common.
I just ran into (
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-recovery.html) this article in the NY Times. It seems like (in some cases?) the "debilitating symptoms can last long after a person's body has gotten rid of the coronavirus". The stories in the article seem anecdotal, but they might be interesting for you to compare.
Good luck with your recovery.
