lowenz on 28/4/2020 at 18:23
Nobody can create this thing actually, 'cause the real problem in Covid-19 is NOT the infection but the overreaction to the infection. And it's totally a personal feature.
And that's a thing NO ONE in the world could predict. Really no one, cause there's no such thing as an "immunological database" with the full data of every existing human being to "target" someone or some groups.
Or we must assume that every autoimmune disease triggered by a virus infection is a weapon.....it's just ridiculous.
How conspiracy people can't understand by theirself this thing is beyond my comprehension.
Oh wait, they DON'T WANT to understand, they simply dream about.
Nicker on 28/4/2020 at 19:04
One conspiracy thread I encountered had the same evil organisation that created COVID19 (for the purpose of depopulating the earth, ala the (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones) Georgia Guidestones ) also engineering the lock-down. Thus, having successfully created a deadly, world killing virus, They immediately mounted a robust campaign to suppress its spread, and to revoke human liberty etc. etc.. But then that's the nature of conspiracies I guess. Not even the conspirators know the whole story.
lowenz on 28/4/2020 at 20:16
Ah, another piece of the puzzle about the relationship hypoxia <-> coagulation <-> infection-induced inflammation
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/why-dont-some-coronavirus-patients-sense-their-alarmingly-low-oxygen-levels?rss=1)
Negri developed this idea after treating a woman whose breathing troubles coincided with circulatory problems in her toes. Negri's team gave the woman heparin, a common blood thinner, and not only her toes but her breathing recovered. Negri wondered whether heparin could boost patients' low oxygen levels regardless of whether they were struggling to breathe. On 20 April, she posted a preprint detailing her hospital's experience with 27 COVID-19 patients. Patients with hypoxia received heparin, and the dose was increased if they had elevated levels of D-dimer, a blood marker of excess clotting.
One of the 27 was lost to follow-up after transferring to another hospital. But 24 others are recovering—including six of eight who needed mechanical ventilation, a better rate of positive outcomes than has been reported elsewhere. Two remain critically ill. Negri is now planning to follow more patients. And several clinical trials elsewhere will test whether blood thinners can prevent or treat complications of severe COVID-19, including respiratory problems.
Strayer finds it reasonable to imagine that hypoxia emerges because “small blood vessels of the lung are being showered with clots.” His own hospital and others are beginning to test many admitted COVID-19 patients for markers of excess clotting and treat those who show it with blood thinners. But, “It is simply not known” whether clotting causes happy hypoxia, Strayer says. There are other possibilities. Recent imaging of a hypoxic patient showed “almost waxy-looking film all around the lungs,” Caputo says. “I don't know what is actually going on pathophysiologically down there.”All these doctors must be random and clearly stupid TTLG guys :p
Caputo says this hypoxia is likely stressing a body already straining to battle the virus. What to do about it is prompting debate. An emerging view is that doctors should avoid aggressive treatment they've been trained to offer in other settings. Luciano Gattinoni, a guest professor in intensive care at the University of Gottingen Medical Center, is wary of what he calls a “Pavlovian response” to COVID-19 hypoxia, in which doctors may swoop in to inflate lungs with ventilators or high-pressure oxygen even when patients seem comfortable. Those measures, Gattinoni wrote 24 April online in JAMA, could harm lungs that are inflating on their own but may be needed if patients aren't helped by noninvasive treatment.OH WAIT, where I saw this behaviour? Oh, here...................I hope someone can NOW understand.
Renzatic on 2/5/2020 at 18:23
It's easy to say that around my neck of the woods. The outbreak is small here, and life is going on relatively uninterrupted, despite the safer at home mandates almost no one has listened to.
For some people, it isn't real until it's real for them. Anything that happens to other people is just a story, simple to dismiss as fake news.
Starker on 2/5/2020 at 19:11
I've been reading about Brazil and it looks like it's even worse there. The government there doesn't seem to even pretend they have a plan, they have very little testing to the point where even medical workers aren't getting tested, and Bolsonaro is actively downplaying the pandemic and encouraging people to protest against governors who have issued lockdowns in their states.
Nicker on 2/5/2020 at 19:24
Bolsonaro will probably use this disease to weaken the native populations presently trying to prevent him from turning the Amazon basin into a cattle farm.
Starker on 2/5/2020 at 19:47
For example, here's just one article:
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https://www.thenation.com/article/world/coronavirus-brazil-bolsonaro-coup/)
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Like the US president, Jair Bolsonaro has raged against the quarantine implemented by his own government and has just dismissed his level-headed health minister, Luiz Henrique Mandetta. A few days after the first shutdown measures were announced in São Paulo, the president blatantly defied them by encouraging his supporters to attend a mass rally on March 15, filling part of the megalopolis's wide Avenida Paulista in support of Bolsonaro and against Congress. Covid-19 is just a gripezinha (sniffle), he insists, while heading a campaign on social media to reopen the economy under the slogan “Brazil cannot close.” On Sunday, he headed a second small rally in the capital of Brasília, where social distancing was replaced by manic jostling to get close to the president, along with chants demanding that the army intervene to get people back to work.
Bolsonaro has dismissed as “hysteria” the lockdown measures, implemented swiftly in Brazil despite the president's rhetoric. “Let's face the virus like men, not kids,” he urged, as he visited a Brasília street market last month. Perhaps the only head of state able to out-Trump Trump in sheer recklessness and social-networked delirium, Bolsonaro has mobilized his three loyal sons, two of them members of Congress, to help peddle conspiracy theories concerning China and snake-oil remedies such as chloroquine.
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While registered cases of the coronavirus in Brazil are 40,000, the real figure is probably over 10 times that, as indicated by the current unnaturally high mortality rate. According to official data, by the end of last week some 2,600 people had died from the virus—low compared with Europe and the United States, but Brazil is late in the curve. And Brazil's intensive care units are fast approaching capacity, just as they have in Europe. Manaus, the Amazon metropolis where the reports of contagion in the indigenous territories make harrowing reading, is already at 100 percent capacity and is transferring patients to other sites. A survey by the University of Pelotas in Rio Grande do Sul, in the south of the country, estimates that there are at least seven times more cases than the official figures suggest.
Bolsonaro will try to build a strategy from his base of support among evangelicals and people in the orbit of the police and military. Evangelicals have been another element of the Covid-19 denial, but they are fired by conviction rather than nonchalance. Edir Macedo, the billionaire pastor whose TV networks are used by Bolsonaro in preference to the establishment Rede Globo, said the WHO's warnings on Covid-19 were the “work of Satan.” “Our position from the first moment has been to keep the churches open, because God will defeat the virus,” said Washington Reis, the evangelical mayor of the Rio working-class district of Duque de Caxias last week. Days later, God had spoken, and Reis was hospitalized with Covid-19.
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Gryzemuis on 2/5/2020 at 22:31
Two weeks ago I spoke to an ex-colleague. He's married to a woman from Colombia. He told me the stories he heard about covid-19 in Columbia. And about Ecuador (which is bordering Colombia). It's even worse in Ecuador. Many people are so poor that they can't pay for any health care. They are even so poor that they can't pay for funerals for their relatives. The authorities had stopped picking up the corpse of the deceased people. The dead stayed in the homes, people can't bring them anywhere. There were pictures of dozens of dead bodies in the street. I don't know the details. And I don't know if the stories are true. But if you google for "Ecuador Guayaquil corona deaths street" you will find stories and pictures.
I discussed this with a friend on the phone today. I still haven't heard much about the corona-virus in African countries. Some of those countries are really really poor. And in the countries with a little more wealth, there is still a huge majority of poor people. Without proper healthcare, and maybe without the possibility of isolation and distancing, what can the people in those countries do ? Maybe they aren't counting properly ? Maybe nobody cares ? I had expected many more horror-stories from poor countries.
TTK12G3 on 3/5/2020 at 17:33
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
I had expected many more horror-stories from poor countries.
Not to be morose, but just because you aren't hearing anything, doesn't mean nothing bad is happening.
