Renzatic on 8/4/2020 at 23:43
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Do other countries do the same ?
Over here, we get to watch our president talk about how awesome he is for upwards of two hours. Sometimes, other people speak.
Starker on 9/4/2020 at 01:21
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
You're massively projecting, and again it's bizarre windmill tilting.
Notably absent from your response is any actual rebuttal of the main point: they re-used a photo of another boy from two years ago for their story. The other sites were a little more responsible and didn't use an obviously fake picture for their story.
And "that one site" is MSN, it's a major media outlet that also owns a cable news network.
Your rebuttal is only a "genius smackdown" if you project far more onto it than what is actually there (me mocking them using a fake picture).
Microsoft (who operates msn.com and which you might get a hint of from "powered by Microsoft News" under the logo) is a major media outlet that owns a cable news outlet? Since when? They are little more than a news aggregator website who use other people's content, in that case some obscure site called IOL News from South Africa that (
https://twitter.com/ameliacclarke/status/1247895107090538498) stole the story from a real journalist and for whatever reason used a wrong photo. Wait, are you confusing them with NBC and MSNBC?
Seriously, you've been told time and time again, you don't have the capacity to evaluate sources or interpret them correctly. How many more demonstrations does it take? How many more times do you have to rake yourself in the face and pretend that nothing happened?
And this time it was really, really easy too. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what kind of a website msn.com is or who wrote the article or who supplied it to msn.com. The information was already there in the article and just a short Wikipedia visit / Google search away.
Renzatic on 9/4/2020 at 01:30
He's thinking of MSNBC, which MSN isn't a part of. It's, well, what you said. (
https://www.msn.com/) A news aggregator, pulling stories from various sources.
Hell, Microsoft isn't even involved with MSNBC much anymore from what I've read. So yeah, they're entirely separate things.
Renzatic on 9/4/2020 at 02:30
See you at tha pahtay, Richtah!
Renzatic on 9/4/2020 at 02:32
Okay, now I gotta watch Total Recall.
This is about the 3rd time you've done this to me, Ice.
Starker on 9/4/2020 at 06:00
Remember that French study that claimed a 100% cure rate with hydroxychloroquine? Well, about that...
Quote:
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/hydroxychloroquine-trump-coronavirus-drug)
[...]
But even more important than these shortcomings in the design of the study is how the researchers chose to measure and report their results. Forty-two patients were initially included in the study. Three were transferred to the intensive care unit; one died, one left the hospital, and one stopped taking the treatment due to nausea. The other 36 eventually recovered, and those who received the drug cleared the virus from the system faster than those who did not.
If you had only heard about this study from the Fox News assertion of a “100% cure rate”, you might assume that the four patients with poor clinical outcomes (the three ICU visits and one death) had been unlucky enough to be in the group that did not receive the “cure”.
And yet, those four patients, as well as the patient with nausea and the one who left the hospital early, were all part of the treatment group. They were excluded from the topline results of the study because of the way that the researchers chose to measure and report the results: strictly based on the measurable presence of viruses in nasal swabs taken each day of the study. Since the patients were in the ICU or dead, their samples could not be taken and they were left out of the final analysis. Based on the nasal swabs of just the 36 patients who completed the study, those who received the drug cleared the virus from their systems faster than those who did not.
This is how an experiment in which 15% of the treatment group and 0% of the control had poor clinical outcomes could end up being reported as showing a “100% cure rate”.
[...]
lowenz on 9/4/2020 at 06:12
Quote Posted by Starker
Remember that French study that claimed a 100% cure rate with hydroxychloroquine? Well, about that...
Exactly. And remember that the throat/nasal mucosa "clearness" can't exclude the virus replication elsewhere or a "return" some days later in those same tissues.
The chroloquine experiments here in Italy were done
in vitro and only showed the *potential* use as a prophylasis drug for medics and nurses (and they know the adverse effects).
SubJeff on 9/4/2020 at 06:38
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Do other countries do the same ?
Or is the corona-crisis shown as an abstract thing, like most other crises ? (War in the middle-east, virus in china, hunger in Africa, who cares these days ?).
We have some information on TV of a similar type, but it's not every night and is only occasional updates. I think what's happen there a really, really good idea.
Can you link me to the official website please? I need to share this with one of the doctor's associations here.
Gryzemuis on 9/4/2020 at 08:18
Quote Posted by SubJeff
Can you link me to the official website please? I need to share this with one of the doctor's associations here.
The program is called "Frontberichten" (bericht = message).
We have commercial TV and public TV. Like the BBC. Except we have 15+ public TV broadcast corporations (larger and smaller). They do advertisements, also on their website (sorry). And the videos on their website don't even play in my browser (Palemoon, which is a Firefox fork). But on the website you can see a lot of these messages.
(
https://www.bnnvara.nl/frontberichten)
SubJeff on 9/4/2020 at 09:49
Thanks.