Dia on 7/4/2020 at 12:08
Oh God. Trump's redoubling his efforts to peddle '
the malaria and lupus drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 "with all of the enthusiasm of a real estate developer," even as the medical experts on his coronavirus task force have repeatedly "warned against overselling a drug yet to be proved a safe remedy, particularly for heart patients," The New York Times reports'. And now we know why:
'"Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine." Other top Trump donors, allies, gold buddies, and Cabinet officials also have various ties to hydroxychlorquine.'Follow the money. *sighs*
P.S. My daughter has Lupus, one of the diseases for which hydroxychloroquine
is FDA approved, but she had to stop taking it because it was damn near killing her; the side effects are brutal. I'll hold off on asking for a prescription of the stuff until the FDA shows results of extensive testing wherein the drug was effective in combating the COVID-19 virus and therefore the FDA approves it.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-small-personal-financial-interest-043142804.html)
P.P.S. Wait, doesn't the fact that Trump has 'a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine' mean that he's violating:
Part 2635. STANDARDS OF ETHICAL CONDUCT FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH Subpart G. Misuse of Position Section 2635.702. Use of public office for private gain.
§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. ??
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/5/2635.702)
SubJeff on 7/4/2020 at 12:16
Ok, Tony and lowenz in combination?
I'm out.
Both ignored.
lowenz on 7/4/2020 at 12:21
Quote Posted by Dia
Oh God. Trump's redoubling his efforts to peddle '
the malaria and lupus drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 "with all of the enthusiasm of a real estate developer," even as the medical experts on his coronavirus task force have repeatedly "warned against overselling a drug yet to be proved a safe remedy, particularly for heart patients," The New York Times reports'. And now we know why:
'"Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine." Other top Trump donors, allies, gold buddies, and Cabinet officials also have various ties to hydroxychlorquine.'Follow the money. *sighs*
P.S. My daughter has Lupus, one of the diseases for which hydroxychloroquine
is FDA approved, but she had to stop taking it because it was damn near killing her; the side effects are brutal. I'll hold off on asking for a prescription of the stuff until the FDA shows results of extensive testing wherein the drug was effective in combating the COVID-19 virus and therefore the FDA approves it.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-small-personal-financial-interest-043142804.html)
P.P.S. Wait, doesn't the fact that Trump has 'a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine' mean that he's violating:
Part 2635. STANDARDS OF ETHICAL CONDUCT FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH Subpart G. Misuse of Position Section 2635.702. Use of public office for private gain.
§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. ??
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/5/2635.702)
Of course for him it's all $$$ interest. It's how his mind works.
Still the chroloquine can be useful. Here in Italy the first trials reveled it can maybe be used as a prophylaxis drug.
So you know by yourself why treat these autoimmune beasts is SO hard. There's no way to "tackle" them without damaging something elsewhere. It's really hard.
And with an high probability now we got a new one.....
lowenz on 7/4/2020 at 12:22
Quote Posted by SubJeff
Ok, Tony and lowenz in combination?
I'm out.
Both ignored.
Why this childish behaviour? WHY?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/coronavirus-cytokine-storm-immune-system.html)
it's literally the same thing I'm saying.
SARS 2 induced vasculitis / interstitial pneumonia
There are many variations on the phenomenon, and they go by many names: systemic inflammatory response syndrome, cytokine release syndrome, macrophage activation syndrome, hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis.
Broadly speaking, they are all marked by an unbridled surge in immune molecules, and may all result in the fatal shutdown of multiple organs.
But many doctors are unfamiliar with this niche concept or how to treat it, experts said.
“Everyone's talking about cytokine storm as if it were a well-recognized phenomenon, but you could have asked medics two weeks ago and they wouldn't have heard of it,” said Dr. Jessica Manson, an immunologist at University College London Hospital.And a macrophages accumulation is among the causes of the interstitial pneumonia.
Tony_Tarantula on 7/4/2020 at 12:45
Quote:
Why this childish behaviour? WHY?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_defences)
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Anyway, Some of you all REALLY need to think carefully about what you wish for when it comes to the social aspects of this.
Let's say we get this vaccine with a digital stamp to prove who has had it and your real ID (As Bill Gates is proposing with ID2020 and Faucci support).
And Trump gets re-elected (Biden is now rambling literally incoherently so that's likely unless they sub in Hilldog at the convention) , no now longer having to care about his campaign.
Hypothetical Scenario: DHS sets up a checkpoint in Port Authority or Grand Central to scan for these IDs. Immigrants and Refugees will not have a real ID to link into their records, so they get pulled to go to the DHS facility for further screening.....except when they get there ICE is waiting, arrests them, separates them from their families, and sends them to an internment camp.Hypothetical Scenario 2: We track everyone's movement with cellphone as some countries are already doing. ICE gets access to these records, and matches them against customer databases and financial records to check which cellphones are associated with refugees. ICE then tracks them down in real time to arrest them and deport them as soon as they step out in public (leaving their families left home alone with nobody to care for them) by following their cellphone ping in real time and to observers it just looks like someone broke quarantineIs it really that difficult to imagine Trump doing something like that with the powers everyone just screamed to give him.
Don't you think Trump would do that if given the chance? And we're collectively demanding to give him the chance.
catbarf on 7/4/2020 at 13:46
I notice the author of this piece has been suspended and the article removed. The Deep State strikes again :mad:
lowenz on 7/4/2020 at 14:06
Quote Posted by catbarf
I notice the author of this piece has been suspended and the article removed. The Deep State strikes again :mad:
Well, that "paper" is kind of stupid cause everybody can estimate the O2 level in the blood thanks to a simple saturimeter.
So it's NOT the "hypoxia" the culprit.
Still the saturimeter can only measure the actual binding between hemoglobin and O2, and so the information is really partial if there's no hemoglobin
BUT this sounds really strange and
ad hoc for the chloroquine crowning as the perfect drug :p
It sounds like a pro-Trump / pro-chroloquine pseudoscience.
The REAL problem is that the pneumonia is only one aspect of the syndrome that the virus can enable.
So don't expect miracle from a pneumonia-focused treatment (oh, the superinfections in ICU.....).
And expect damage elsewhere (lungs damage of course is lethal! Why repeat a truism? It's more worthy to analyze the
type of the damage and its source, all the chain of interactions and not only the limited DIRECT damage of the infection itself.....it's a virus, it can't do the "heavy damage" of some bacteria by itself, it can only hijack ribosomes).
lowenz on 7/4/2020 at 14:36
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102614/)
Another prominent clinical manifestation in severe COVID-19 patients is endothelium damage. Mimicry of vasculitis could be seen in severe COVID-19 patients. Clinically, many critical ill patients have vasculitis-like manifestations, or even gangrene at their extremities; Pathology examination revealed the blood vessels of alveolar septum were congested and edematous, with modest infiltration of monocytes and lymphocytes within and around blood vessels. Small vessels showed hyperplasia, vessel wall thickening, lumen stenosis, occlusion and focal hemorrhage. Hyaline thrombi of micro-vessels were found in a proportion of severe cases [10,13,14]. Intriguingly, some patients were tested positive with high titer antiphospholipid antibodies, including anticardiolipin antibodies and anti-β2 glycoprotein antibodies, and were associated with severe thrombosis (unpublished data). The underlying mechanism of vascular damage may be due to the direct injury of endothelial cells by virus, leading to DIC, anti-phospholipid syndrome (APS) and mimicry of vasculitis. The pathological autoimmune responses involved in the anti-virus immunity are worth to be emphasized.So the stupid is me......right?
