lowenz on 31/3/2020 at 23:20
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
The bad thing ?
The bad thing - for the rich too - is that approach can cure the infection, not the abnormal reaction of the body that gives you the deadly part of the pneumonia.
Gryzemuis on 31/3/2020 at 23:29
Quote Posted by lowenz
The bad thing - for the rich too - is that approach can cure the infection, not the abnormal reaction of the body that gives you the deadly part of the pneumonia.
Sure. Once the body starts doing that abnormal reaction.
But if you get tested at the first sign of symptoms, and you get a transfusion with antibodies before the illness gets worse (to your lungs), you will probably recover fine. And we know that the rich and famous (and politicians) have access to tests as much as they want. So for sure they will have access to plasma. And if even plasma is not 100% effective to recover, then the rich and famous can buy plasma and get a monthly dose of antibodies as precaution.
My point: if there is a cure, or a way to prevent you from getting ill, even if this treatment is very expensive or very hard to get, this will be a factor for some people (captains of industry, general arseholes, republicans, and other fascists) to push people out of quarantine before the danger is gone. Mark my words. When this treatment/prevention turns out to be effective, there will be much louder voices to push people back to work. And if blood plasma availability is limited, this will cost a lot of extra lives. I'm sorry to be so negative, but this crisis is making people show their true colors.
Vae on 31/3/2020 at 23:45
As expected (due to the encouraging results of the clinical trials), (
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization#covidtherapeutics) the FDA Approves Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine for Emergency Use for COVID-19
Quote:
Therapeutics
On March 28, 2020, FDA issued an EUA to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) to be distributed and used for certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19. These drugs will be distributed from the SNS to states for doctors to prescribe to adolescent and adult patients hospitalized with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible. The EUA requires that fact sheets that provide important information about using chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate in treating COVID-19 be made available to health care providers and patients, including the known risks and drug interactions. The SNS, managed by ASPR, will work with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to ship donated doses to states.
France officially sanctions chloroquine, as well...
[video=youtube;hQV4YcaILDA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=hQV4YcaILDA&feature=emb_logo[/video]
Renzatic on 31/3/2020 at 23:57
Praise be to Trump.
Starker on 1/4/2020 at 04:44
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
My point: if there is a cure, or a way to prevent you from getting ill, even if this treatment is very expensive or very hard to get, this will be a factor for some people (captains of industry, general arseholes, republicans, and other fascists) to push people out of quarantine before the danger is gone. Mark my words. When this treatment/prevention turns out to be effective, there will be much louder voices to push people back to work. And if blood plasma availability is limited, this will cost a lot of extra lives. I'm sorry to be so negative, but this crisis is making people show their true colors.
"Why contain it? Let it spill over into the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end, they'll beg us to save them."
lowenz on 1/4/2020 at 07:05
As a
prophylaxis form trials show a good promise.
lowenz on 1/4/2020 at 07:07
Quote Posted by Starker
"Why contain it? Let it spill over into the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end, they'll beg us to save them."
I'm already going around shouting "
Laputan Machine"! :D
Tony_Tarantula on 1/4/2020 at 12:05
So remember how most people here thought I was completely wrong to object to tech censorship and it was OK because we were REALLY only stopping people who hate?
Turns out Google Censoring COVID has the unintended consequence of giving Trump a monopoly over COVID information
(
https://www.protocol.com/google-coronavirus-ad-ban-democrats)
zombe on 1/4/2020 at 12:42
Quote Posted by heywood
What information could you glean from the rate of positives/tests? That's going to vary everywhere, even from one primary care physician to the next, because we don't all follow the same protocol in deciding who gets tested. For example, my doctor's office is asking us to call them first if we have any symptoms, and if we don't require medical attention, assume a positive and self-quarantine at home. The idea is to avoid risking others JUST to get a test, in cases where the result wouldn't change the recommended course of action. Depending on your risk factors, they may check in with you daily or let you ride it out unless your symptoms get worse. But we also have people skipping or ignoring their PCPs and showing up at hospital emergency rooms with mild early symptoms, demanding to be tested. Likewise, people are showing up at drive-through testing sites with no symptoms and no connections to confirmed cases,
I guess hoping to get a little peace of mind, though testing negative one day doesn't mean you won't get it the next, so I don't know what testing the non-sick accomplishes for anyone.
Simplified... Rate of positives/tests tells you how hard you are looking for positives. High = not looking. Low = being through.
This stems from natural priority order of testing that manifests itself (example from infected groups perspective):
A. never has any noticeable symptoms.
Generally never checked, might get checked when had a known positive contact.
B. gets some symptoms but not alarmed (symptoms mild / ambiguous / not risk group).
Checked only if have the capacity. Perhaps above average paranoid doc who directs to it - or if the drive through checking is open to everyone in that particular location. However, person is much more likely to just sit it through than any of the following cases.
C. gets symptoms and is alarmed (risk group).
Similar to B, but much more likely to seek checking and also more likely to get checked.
D. gets/develops pretty bad symptoms and will need hospitalization.
Hospital, generally, needs to know if it is Covid19 or not.
Note the inherent gradient there in chances of getting checked and probability of needing intensive care. Also note the reverse probability gradient of dilution from possible test negatives (ex: common cold very rarely prompts hospitalization [D] but can be sufficiently alarming prior to that [C, B] ... and common cold is ... common).
I would say positives/tests is one of the most important stats - as other base stats are greatly affected by this.
* new case count - closeness to reality greatly depends on how hard you look (duh).
* active case count - directly depends on the previous over time with its changes in thoroughness.
* new case count daily multiplier (observed spread ratio) - depends how the looking changed (ex: NY cumulative is way "smaller" than current daily -> initially looked thoroughly, but now cannot do so anymore).
* bed/ICU/bodybag needs you can predict from the previous - provided you know how hard you looked.
... etc
Special mention:
* case fatality rate - is meaningless without knowing how hard you looked to find thous cases. And i wish people would stop throwing thous "stats" around as 10 times out of 10 the necessary context is not provided and what they say is just annoying gibberish. Stop it!
