Starker on 29/3/2020 at 18:24
Also, wouldn't the US intelligence agencies have picked up at least something about it considering the magnitude of the operation? The US sent nearly 18 tons of PPE to Wuhan in early February -- I think it shows at least that the US doesn't have any basis to think it was a hostile act:
lowenz on 29/3/2020 at 18:31
There's no weapons guys, really.
Save it for Deus Ex :p
Starker on 29/3/2020 at 18:44
Quote Posted by zappenduster
After all, there is no increased mortality observed in the reported mortality figures for the COVID-19 affected countries:
(
https://www.euromomo.eu)
Exception is Italy for persons 65+. Regard and compare the flu peaks of the past years with today's situation.
No panic. :angel:
From that site:
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Note concerning COVID-19 related mortality as part of the all-cause mortality figures reported by EuroMOMO
Over the past few days, the EuroMOMO hub has received many questions about the weekly all-cause mortality data and the possible contribution of any COVID-19 related mortality. Some wonder why no increased mortality is observed in the reported mortality figures for the COVID-19 affected countries.
The answer is that
increased mortality that may occur primarily at subnational level or within smaller focal areas, and/or concentrated within smaller age groups, may not be detectable at the national level, even more so not in the pooled analysis at European level, given the large total population denominator. Furthermore, there is always a few weeks of delay in death registration and reporting. Hence, the EuroMOMO mortality figures for the most recent weeks must be interpreted with some caution.
Therefore, although increased mortality may not be immediately observable in the EuroMOMO figures, this does not mean that increased mortality does not occur in some areas or in some age groups, including mortality related to COVID-19.
Vae on 29/3/2020 at 19:06
This group of experts seem to think it's a natural mutation, but also gives a disclaimer.
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Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another. Obtaining related viral sequences from animal sources would be the most definitive way of revealing viral origins.
So there needs to be more research by other experts in order to rule out the bioweapon possibility. To be clear, It probably is just a natural mutation.
Again, the original question of "Should China be sued by all affected countries of the Corona Virus, on it being the result of a biological weapon?", contains a false premise.
If it's determined that the virus is a bioweapon, there will be the possibility of war, if it's a natural mutation then there will still be a demand for reparations based on
negligence.
Quote Posted by Starker
What's the point of deploying a bioweapon within your own borders?
To make it look accidental.
However, if it does turn out to be a bioweapon, it is much more likely that it accidentally escaped from a lab...which would constitute
manslaughter.
Quote Posted by zappenduster
No panic. :angel:
Yes, there's no need to panic.
Starker on 29/3/2020 at 19:12
Yeah, devastate your own completely unprepared population, give the enemy ample time to prepare, and sow the seeds of anti-government sentiment just to make it look like it's accidental and hope that nobody -- no spies, no moles, no dissidents, no defectors -- will ever get wind of it? What a brilliant strategy. Planning the mass murder of your own people must be such an easy thing to keep under wraps and surely nobody will ever leak such a plan.
Nicker on 29/3/2020 at 19:22
Indeed. It would be simpler to release the virus and an accompanying disinformation campaign, all around the world. Lock down your own country and wait for chaos to ensue. While the information war plays out, your enemies will be so overwhelmed as to be powerless to take meaningful action on their suspicions, even if they can develop and support them.
No, this is just nature challenging our deferral of the real cost or humans outstripping the world's ability to sustain our demands.
Starker on 29/3/2020 at 19:28
Exactly -- if you were trying to make it look accidental, why not release it in Russia and make it seem like it's their accident?
heywood on 29/3/2020 at 19:46
Well, I suppose there is the theory that this accidentally escaped from a lab. If so, I think the world would seek some kind of damages from China. But if it did originate from a lab, we'll never know about it.
Suing China for negligence would be a bit rich coming from countries whose own response was far more negligent.
Gryzemuis on 29/3/2020 at 19:55
Quote Posted by Starker
Exactly -- if you were trying to make it look accidental, why not release it in Russia and make it seem like it's their accident?
You got it wrong.
It's a bio-weapon made by the Russians. They deployed it in China, to make the chinese look bad. It's no coincidence that Russia has such low infection-rates.
See, if we apply just logic, I am sure we will find out which nation is trying to destroy the world for their own benefit. They can hide nothing from us.
