Tony_Tarantula on 18/3/2018 at 04:09
More substantial and important story about what happened here: (
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/us/politics/cambridge-analytica-trump-campaign.html)
This stuff is kind of interesting to me. Data absolutely CAN be weaponized to manipulate populations of people and this explains in detail how.
Here's some more food for thought, drawing strictly from information that is already widely accepted mainstream knowledge: courtesy of Snowdwen, we also know that the NSA has back-door access to ALL user data from the major social media sites. We also know that this intelligence is shared with all intelligence agencies, and that these agencies have a history of conducting information warfare domestically.
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I mean his negotiation style is brinkmanship. You start with the most extreme position, in these cases war, and hold the line to the utter end until they give up their batna (best alternative to non-agreement). That may work for business negotiations (if you're unscrupulous like he is) but for diplomatic negotiations it's a bad idea. I don't have confidence in him to even be within 500 feet of the room of these things going on, much less the key decisionmaker.
There isn't a blanket "good idea" and "bad idea" for negotiations. It depends entirely on who you're dealing with. One notable trend from the two regimes is that Obama is vastly more suited than Trump to deal with European regimes, and Trump is vastly more suited to deal with Asian regimes (and shady third world dictators). One stresses what people in the west think of as "diplomacy" and the other relies quite a bit on posturing and ego, which plays to Trump's strengths.
I will say having been on both sides of the fence now, business negotiations actually tend to be somewhat MORE sensitive than negotiations with political or military leaders. Usually business negotiations are the ones where people are more worried about trying to butter each other up more because its a multi-lateral negotiation, whereas the latter tends to be a bi-lateral negotiation with clearly defined objectives....that and bankers are somewhat more competent at it. As a result there's a lot more hand-wringing about things like the exact wording used to present an offer or who speaks first in a conference call.
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Possibly, but who the hell knows?
One thing's for sure, the coincidences seem to keep piling up with Trump and his administration.
I present to you, the Democrat's premier official claiming that he is on a mission from god to do the bidding of a foreign state:
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/schumer-im-on-a-mission-f_b_560091.html)
On the one hand we have poltical leaders on both parties openly avowing their allegiance to a foreign state actor (
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/) known to have paid US citizens to troll on its behalf online, (
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/07/20/aipacs-lobbying-spending-spikes-as-group-pushes-hard-to-oppose-iran-deal/?utm_term=.5ae9655f66b3) spent more than 17 times the Russian trolljob on one single PAC out of many they sponsor, (
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/) successfully manged to get almost half the US Senate and over half the house to support a bill that would have made it a FELONY to boycott them, and on the other we have a series of "coincidences" (no small number of which since retracted by the papers that published them) hinting at "collusion".
And someone who is known to be an associate of their government is known to be a driving force behind Trump's foreign policy...all while donating over 50 times the Russian Troll job's dollar amount to Trump.
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https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000005590948/sheldon-adelson-trump-israel-policy.html)
Guess which one people more pissed about? The verifiable attempt to control US policy through Trump (his major financial backers are ALL associated with Likud and are known activists in favor of the party's extremely belligerent ideology), or the "Russian" attempt which appears to be a rather incompetently executed attempt to sow civil discord?
Starker on 18/3/2018 at 09:24
The best people:
heywood on 18/3/2018 at 11:20
And to think I used to hate the Clintons
CoffeeMaker on 18/3/2018 at 19:11
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The best people:
... The best make a leak look like someone else did it. The 2nd tier settle for "it was just a mistake".
Renzatic on 18/3/2018 at 21:28
We're apparently settling for 3rd tier these days, since all they do is scream "everyone is out to get me" whenever they get caught.
Renzatic on 18/3/2018 at 22:12
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Guess which one people more pissed about? The verifiable attempt to control US policy through Trump (his major financial backers are ALL associated with Likud and are known activists in favor of the party's extremely belligerent ideology), or the "Russian" attempt which appears to be a rather incompetently executed attempt to sow civil discord?
I'm not going to deny that our government, both Democrats and Republicans, are way, way, way too close to Israel. They're an ally, sure, but there is a fine line that needs to be defined when it comes to their defense. Looking the other way when they inevitably go too far in concerns with the Palestinians, and allowing their interests to pay students to post Pro-Israeli propaganda online without declaring themselves is probably a good example of allowing for too much.
I do consider myself a supporter of Israel, in the sense that I do believe they have the right to continue existing as a state, regardless of the controversies surrounding the founding of the nation. But sometimes, a firm foot down is required.
Though you have made a few mistakes in your post above. Israel didn't pay more than 17 times the amount for a single PAC in comparison to the entire Russian troll campaign. It's been stated that the troll work was being funded upwards of 1.3 a million a month during the run up to the presidential elections. And it's far from being considered a rather inept attempt at sowing civil discord. You go down the list of Mueller's indictment, and you'll see that they did quite a good job of playing both sides against each other, focusing solely on promoting Trump when he became the Republican nominee. No one knows exactly how influential their campaign was in the final results of the election, but it was far more than inconsequential.
Hell, I had at least 6 of my friends regularly posting from Ten_GOP on my Facebook page.
Starker on 18/3/2018 at 22:35
Not to mention that you would have to be incredibly naive to believe that this is the extent of the Russian interference. Or even the extent of the money spent on web brigades.
Starker on 18/3/2018 at 22:48
Anyway, as I've been saying, the best people:
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/15/ben-carson-adviser-naved-jafry-resigns-hud)
Naved Jafry, who called for radical privatization to fix America's cities, steps down following inquiry from the Guardian about his record.
Jafry was contracted to work for Trump's housing and urban development department (Hud). His government email signature said his title was senior adviser. Jafry said he used his role to advocate for "microcities", where managers privately set their own laws and taxes away from central government control.
But those plans are now stalled. Jafry, 38, said he had resigned from his position with Hud after the Guardian asked him to explain multiple allegations of fraud as well as exaggerations in his biography.
So... British newspapers are now doing vetting for the US government?