RippedPhreak on 16/9/2022 at 20:53
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Where are these workers going to come from?
Maybe from all the people who are sitting around in homeless camps right now because they can't find jobs? Or have the government stop paying people to sit at home due to covid. Again, if corporations are saying they "can't find workers," it's really that they can't find workers to do the job
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Of course there wouldn't be refugees fleeing north to escape economic turmoil, drug crime and political violence if the USA hadn't financed fascism in Central America and funded it with drug money, all fueled by a "war on drugs", guaranteed to promote mob crime at home and abroad. Complaining about the consequences of one's own actions seems a little cowardly.
It's not "my actions," but the actions of the US government. The US government does what it wants, regardless of what American voters want (or vote for).
heywood on 16/9/2022 at 21:04
You're still not answering the question. Last I checked we have ~12M job openings and only ~6M job seekers. Workers are not going to pop into existence like quantum particles just because you offer more money.
The second obvious thing you're ignoring is that most employers can't simply raise wages at will and pass on the costs because their products and/or services have to be price competitive in the market. Some can and some have, but you're not going to pay food service workers $30/hr because it breaks the business model.
Third, the workforce has shrunk due to COVID which has nothing to do with pay. We've got teachers walking away from $100k jobs.
Finally, wage growth = inflation. The job shortage is keeping inflation high.
RippedPhreak on 16/9/2022 at 21:04
And what is your problem with the "Special Master" anyway? my understanding is that the FBI will have to give some documents back to Trump. But they've already read everything and will keep copies so what does it matter?
RippedPhreak on 16/9/2022 at 21:16
Yeah employers just
can't raise pay,
ever!!! :wot:
You're really drinking the corporate kool-aid here. Again, corporations are not Constitutionally entitled to a certain number of job openings. If we didn't have 7,000 people flooding in from Guatemala every single day, the corporations would have to figure out some way to attract native workers. For the last few decades, we've had an economy where too many people are chasing too few jobs. I want to have an economy of employers chasing job seekers and offering THEM more to come work for the business.
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the workforce has shrunk due to COVID which has nothing to do with pay. We've got teachers walking away from $100k jobs.
Well these teachers aren't starving, right? They've apparently decided they have better things to do than teach. Or they are getting $$$ from the state governments to stay home? Cut that off and they would go back to work.
And inflation is due to US gov printing trillions of additional dollars over the last 2 years, not due to a "job shortage." That doesn't even make sense. How does a job shortage reduce the value of the existing dollars? When you print more money, you reduce the value of the existing money...thus things cost more.
heywood on 16/9/2022 at 22:24
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I want to have an economy of employers chasing job seekers and offering THEM more to come work for the business.
That's exactly what's happening right now.
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Well these teachers aren't starving, right? They've apparently decided they have better things to do than teach. Or they are getting $$$ from the state governments to stay home? Cut that off and they would go back to work.
Nobody is getting paid to not work. Many older teachers retired because they have COVID risk factors. You can offer them $200k and they're still not coming back. Others are leaving because they can't stand dealing with hostile parents anymore. Being a parent myself who attends school board meetings, I can totally understand. They've switched careers and are not coming back. A lot of younger teachers left the workforce to become stay-at-home moms, because their spouses are making more money now and they can live comfortably on one income - a consequence of wage growth. They will come back into the workforce when economic conditions require a second income, or when their kids are a little older.
The other thing about public school teachers is that their pay is coming from taxes. If you think we can just throw money at former teachers to get them back, where's the money going to come from? I don't see anyone volunteering to pay more taxes to retain teachers. And teacher retention rates are much worse in private schools, which is where I had my kids up until this year.
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And inflation is due to US gov printing trillions of additional dollars over the last 2 years, not due to a "job shortage." That doesn't even make sense. How does a job shortage reduce the value of the existing dollars? When you print more money, you reduce the value of the existing money...thus things cost more.
Monetary stimulus is what kicked off inflation, but it's not what's sustaining it. The money supply (M1, M2) has been flat since Feb, and interest rates are back up to historical average levels, but inflation hasn't really dropped yet. The reasons are rising energy prices thanks to Russia and the labor shortage. Tighter labor markets lead to wage growth, which seems to be what you want, but wage growth turns into price growth. You can't have rising wages without inflation.
And you still haven't answered my simple question. If you can't get your head around the fact that there's more jobs than people to fill them, then I'm afraid this conversation is pointless.
Tocky on 16/9/2022 at 23:52
Where is the government still paying folks to sit at home? My state ended that well over a year ago. I think it's been ended nationally since last year as well.
I do want the labor market in favor of the laborer. That's one aspect I'm in agreement with RippedPhreak about. I just don't see those crossing the border taking the sorts of skilled labor jobs most Americans want.
Cipheron on 17/9/2022 at 02:21
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Where is the government still paying folks to sit at home? My state ended that well over a year ago. I think it's been ended nationally since last year as well.
I do want the labor market in favor of the laborer. That's one aspect I'm in agreement with RippedPhreak about. I just don't see those crossing the border taking the sorts of skilled labor jobs most Americans want.
Also, visa overstays exceed border-crossers.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings)
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As the Trump administration demands funding for a border wall to stop illegal immigration, a new study finds that for the seventh consecutive year, visa overstays far exceeded unauthorized border crossings.
The report released Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies of New York finds that from 2016-2017, people who overstayed their visas accounted for 62 percent of the newly undocumented, while 38 percent had crossed a border illegally.
Plus, increased border protection has been connected with jumps in the number staying in the USA, not declines.
Before Reagan, people used to come over for seasonal work, but go back to their families in Mexico. However, once border protection ramped up, the back and forth was no longer practical. Now that didn't make it *impossible* to cross the border. What it did was mean that you basically had to choose which side of the arbitrary line you wanted to live on, and more and more people who crossed over for seasonal work ended up never going back.
The problem with "total border enforcement" is that it's impossible. You could, and probably would, bankrupt the entire US trying to enforce that, merely impoverishing the nation and turning it into even more of a militarized third-world shit-hole for all your efforts. How is it freedom if you have to turn the entire nation into a giant fortress with armed guards everywhere and ICE agents marching around with Gestapo-like powers to hunt down visa overstays?
"total border protection" would basically require a Nazi Germany level of repression of the populace. They don't just track "illegals" and leave everyone else alone: to detect illegals you need to subject the entire populace to increased government monitoring and tracking. The cure would be far worse than the disease, and the only people trying to get America to take that medicine do in fact want to put the whole nation under some level of fascist surveillance, and don't in fact care about some Mexicans working in a restaurant.
Nicker on 17/9/2022 at 02:49
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It's not "my actions," but the actions of the US government.
I never said it was your actions. But since it triggered you, is there something we need to know?
Speaking of "illegals". Governor De Santis of Florida may have committed crimes in furtherance of a political stunt, when Florida sent 50 refugees to Martha's Vinyard.
Sound's like a nice vacay until you get the details.
[video=youtube;3NxX_orvxhw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NxX_orvxhw[/video]
The Migrants were lured on to a plane with false promises of work and accommodation at their destination. They were assigned random, fake addresses at homeless shelters, scattered around the country. They were told that, upon pain of deportation, they must report USCIS office nearest their fake address, within one week. The USCIS has no jurisdiction over them.
Florida gave Massachusetts no warning of the human props they had sent, so not even basic needs could be met upon arrival. Never the less, locals rushed to provide food and shelter and to meet medical needs which Florida had neglected.
Florida did cover the expense of a videographer to travel with them to record the expected fury of the locals against this flood of uninvited refugees.
Hurrrrr durrrr... We are Demonrat hypocrites. Instead the victims of De Santis' stunt were received with compassion and generosity.
Watch until the end when the multi trillion dollar value of migrants is explained for the economically inclined and our newly minted warrior for workers' rights.
Cipheron on 17/9/2022 at 04:03
Meanwhile
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https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-rioter-sentence-2658218085/)
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Capitol rioter wearing 'Camp Auschwitz' shirt feels 'very mad' when people assume he's a Nazi: attorney
A rioter who stormed the United States Capitol on January 6th, 2021 while wearing a "Camp Auschwitz" shirt now says that he is not a Nazi -- and is offended that anyone would think otherwise.
Hmm ok. Maybe.
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However, Assistant U.S. Attorney Mona Furst argued that the shirt should come into play in the sentencing decision, especially since the shirt he was wearing underneath it during the riots was a shirt featuring the logo of the Schutzstaffel, the Nazi paramilitary organization better known as the S.S.
Right.
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FBI agents found swastika-themed artwork and
pictures of Hitler and assorted Nazis when the searched his home after the riots.
Tocky on 17/9/2022 at 04:26
Republican politicians sure do love to gin up some hate don't they? Keep their voters hating the "other" and maybe they won't see the crimes THEY commit. Case in point: my states previous Republican governor is being investigated for stealing 94 million in welfare money while 98% of welfare applicants were turned down in the years he was in office. The link I chose has Governor Phil Bryant who stole the money with current sleezebag Governor Tate Reeves and Bret Farve who got 5 million of it. Cell phone records show Farve was amazed that they could get away with it. As a matter of fact the State Department of Human Resources fired the lawyer who brought it to their attention. Hard to believe huh? It's all true though. And so far there have only been civil suits filed.
I have no idea why this isn't being tried in federal court. It's crazy. Republicans are the biggest scumbags who ever lived and the evangelical hypocrites keep them in power just to punish those who have more sex than they do it seems. This should be cause for protest and outrage but the poor are so used to being shit on by the Republicans in my state that they just take it and move on. The Federal Government should prosecute these thieves.
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https://www.liberationnews.org/steal-from-the-poor-give-to-the-rich-welfare-fraud-in-mississippi/)