Starker on 26/9/2021 at 18:21
Quote Posted by Cipheron
Sure, he's clearly an obsessed racist, but ... you can't build a movement of zealots based on Tucker Carlson's stuff.
Looking at it from another angle though, you can't build a movement of zealots
without people like Tucker Carlson. At least in my experience, a lot of white supremacists (of the worst kind) are fans of him and grateful to him for mainstreaming their ideas, for pushing what's acceptable to say in mainstream media, for sowing doubt and fear.
Also, how many zealots you really need is a question in and of itself....
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"The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."
-- Hannah Arendt
The Origins of Totalitarianism
lowenz on 26/9/2021 at 20:07
Or simply people that ACTIVELY AND WILLINGLY REJECT the distinction between fact and fiction.
That's the problem today. They "feel" the ultimate freedom (from that hyper-rational system that is behind the today world dynamics they see as a "spirit cage" ) in this rejection.
They WANT to believe, as brialliantly put 20 years ago by the character of Fox Mulder in X-Files. It's kind of a liberation and realization sense for these people.
Cipheron on 27/9/2021 at 10:32
It seems the Texas pro-life people are upset that someone launched a lawsuit against a doctor performing an abortion - that's the actual enforcement mechanism but you're *not actually supposed to launch the lawsuits*. So far, doctors have stopped performing abortions there due to the theoretical possibility of dealing with such lawsuits, so it's meant to just intimidate people into stopping.
effectively, previous anti-abortion laws failed because they needed to be enforced by state employees and those actions could be blocked by legal means while the constitutionality of the law was questioned (they're not constitutional). But the current law just basically encourages people to take out civil suits against doctors, and that's supposed to just put a chilling effect on providing medical care. Additionally, since it's members of the public supposed to do the lawsuits then those actions cannot be blocked on constitutional grounds: they're not part of the government, the same as how the whole "but my first amendment!" thing doesn't mean Twitter needs to let you say anything you want.
Actual lawsuits against actual doctors who did actual abortions threatens the entire ruse since once it's in the legal system it might all come crashing down.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/26/texas-doctor-abortion-sued-pro-lifers-backpedaling)
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Interestingly, the anti-choice movement doesn't seem entirely happy that the lawsuits that enforce the abortion ban they championed are now actually arriving in Texas courts. John Sego, a legislative director of the anti-choice group Texas Right to Life, which supports SB8, expressed displeasure that the law is being enforced - well, exactly the way it was designed. He called the lawsuits “self-serving legal stunts”. Yet he also claimed that “Texas Right to Life is resolute in ensuring that [SB8] is fully enforced.” If Sego and other anti-choice groups want the law enforced, why do they oppose private citizens enforcing it, using the bill's own remedy?
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But perhaps the real reason Sego is displeased with the lawsuits against Braid is that SB8's bounty hunting enforcement system was only one small part of the anti-choice vision for the law. The real way that abortions would become inaccessible in Texas under SB8 wasn't that people would sue; it was that abortion providers, faced with the prospect of being bankrupted by lawsuits, would preemptively stop performing abortions. It was an attempt to do by intimidation what the anti-choice movement was not confident they could do by law: strip Texan women of their constitutional right to control their own bodies and lives. And, mostly, this gambit has worked. In the more than three weeks since SB8 went into effect, legal abortions after six weeks have come to a halt in Texas. Fearing liability, clinics are turning pregnant patients away. So far, only Dr Braid has called the anti-choice movement's bluff.
So it's a whole new gambit: basically deputize the public to harass your ideological opponents when it's against the law for you to do that directly.
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EDIT: also news: Republican local official dead of Covid, didn't share password for servers, now they're locked out of their data
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmkUxx4JKzI) (5 minute video)
Cipheron on 29/9/2021 at 04:44
Tucker Carlson's latest deranged thing: the "cult of coronavirus" has replace good old Christianity. Note to Carlson, Christianity has been declining for a while and has nothing to do with coronavirus.
One of the choice moments was when he blasted Kathy Hochul as one of the cult leaders. Kathy Hochul was the Lieutenant Governor of New York, now Governor since Cuomo resigned.
Carlson called her a "high priestess" of the Democratic Covid cult and says "nobody voted for Hochul as governor,
and that seems 'odd' for a politician" and said "but it's typical for a faith leader: nobody voted for
Jim Jones either". This is just weaponized ignorance. Hochul won an election for Lt Governor, and was appointed as Governor later due to the normal chain of succession. This is not exactly rocket science to work out it isn't "odd".
Carlson goes on to say that getting the vaxx is like being anointed / baptized in the new religion. Which is specifically going to make his religious followers fear the jab as being anti-Christian, right?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHimOs0aGY)
Carlson then points out that you can now by Jesus's Nativity scenes where they're wearing Covid masks and he says this is another sign of the cult in action: they're even masking Jesus now! But that's missing the point: he just contradicted himself. Those are commercially produced figures on sale to *Christians* so clearly not something that would be bought by some anti-god cultists.
lowenz on 29/9/2021 at 08:51
The joyful fruits of "freedom".....THE STRATEGIC DELIRIUM to capture feeble minds: (
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-christianity-dying-replaced-cult-coronavirus)
And speaking of babies, you'll want to celebrate your children's baptism by vax by purchasing a sacred text to memorialize this moment. We recommend this age-appropriate Tony Fauci coloring book. This book promises, quote, hand-illustrated coloring pages starring your quarantine dreamboat. Not surprisingly, the reviews online are glowing. Everyone loves it. With one exception, of course, there's always an apostate. The kind of person burning stakes were created for. Here's what that nasty, nonbeliever said in the snarkiest possible way: "There's a section at the back of the book where kids color numerous pages solid black to help Dr. Fauci cover up his involvement in the pandemicIs this
right irony?
Cipheron on 29/9/2021 at 10:29
Yeah, the whole purpose seems to be to just terminally confuse everyone about what's real. Meanwhile due to their own messaging, Republicans are dying of Covid at massively higher rates than Democrats.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10038863/More-9-10-Democrats-say-vaccinated-compared-56-Republicans.html)
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As of September 2021, 92% of Democrats say they have received a COVID-19 vaccine compared to 66% of Independents and 56% of Republicans
So about 18% of the deaths would be Democrats by that basis, 82% would be Republicans. However, the unvaxxed Democrats definitely skew a lot younger than Republicans ones do, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if > 90% of the dead are Republicans now.
So there's basically a 9/11 worth of THEIR OWN supporters dying every two days because their leaders are throwing them under the bus. If that carried on for a year, you'd have half a MILLION missing Republican voters. I'm counting a potential winter Delta spike here to make that assessment.
This is so patently illogical of a party that actually expects to win elections that you have to wonder whether the snowball is so big now they lost control of it. Basically they have collective insanity, since they're killing their own voters to score e-peen points. With the amount of those right-wing radio guys dying, I'm not going to be at all surprised if a lot of mid level Republican operatives get nuked over the winter.
faetal on 29/9/2021 at 12:44
Let's not feign surprise when Fox News (and its associated dickheads) dispenses with reality - it is a purpose built propaganda machine, that's its raison d'etre.
Cipheron on 29/9/2021 at 12:51
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF9e5ZmLBzA)
This is a new Sydney Powell one. The video is worth watching
Her first argument here is that the Jan 6 insurrection was *on purpose* so that Powell could delay the election vote and get Justice Alito to overturn the count. She thinks this is a good thing, but she just implicated Alito in some pretty treasonous stuff.
The second point is HOW she planned to derail events. At the same time that the rioters were storming the Capitol, Powell lodged an injunction against what she SAYS is an uncostitutional new law that allows the Senate to oversee the vote count for president. Powell says they should, instead follow the 12th Amendment, which says that the House counts the presidential votes, and the senate counts the vice presidential votes.
So what's this "new" law Powell was challenging? It's the
Electoral Count Act of 1887. So she's saying this law is no good and goes against the constitution, and she somehow decided that at the same time that rioters were storming the building. This is the standard logic of how everything is wrong, no matter how much established as law or tradition, merely because it blocks their little clique from clinging to power.
So that's her full claim there, her and her buddies orchestrated the Jan 6 insurrection as a delaying tactic so that she could launch a Supreme Court challenge to the
Electoral Count Act of 1887 and have Justice Alito freeze the count while they work out the constitutionality of the 1887 law. The whole thing was so clearly illogical that the only logic is that they wanted to drag things on past Jan 20 so that Biden wouldn't be sworn in. Why it didn't work, in Powell's words, is because Nancy Pelosi immediately reconvened the count and they got it done overnight. Powell says she expected the insurrection to delay by at least a day or two.
Here's the info on the 1887 law:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Act)
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The Electoral Count Act of 1887 is a United States federal law adding to procedures set out in the Constitution of the United States for the counting of electoral votes following a presidential election. The Act was enacted by Congress in 1887, ten years after the disputed 1876 presidential election, in which several states submitted competing slates of electors and a divided Congress was unable to resolve the deadlock for weeks. Close elections in 1880 and 1884 followed, and again raised the possibility that with no formally established counting procedure in place partisans in Congress might use the counting process to force a desired result.
So you can see exactly what they were thinking here. They were trying to engineer exactly the type of crisis the 1887 law was designed to avoid. This why Powell clearly wants to return to the 12th Amendment: because it has loopholes that allow partisans to delay things and rig the vote any way they want.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr7McIWvoUk)
New book by White House insider: Trump refused anesthesia for a colonoscopy operation because he didn't want to *temporarily* hand over Presidential powers to Mike Pence.
Another look into the bizarro mind of Trump. But there's some schadenfreude there since you can now imagine Trump being buttfucked by a robot probe without any painkillers because of his "pride".
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Also: "Feds Ask Marjorie Taylor Greene to Account for $3.5 Million in Donations".
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https://www.newsweek.com/feds-ask-marjorie-taylor-greene-account-over-35m-unitemized-donations-1626920)
Meanwhile if a Democrat couldn't account for a cup of coffee the Republicans lose their shit over it.
heywood on 1/10/2021 at 00:05
This could just be Sidney Powell's fantasy.
By the time the day rolled around to Jan 6, the courts had already booted her challenges. And she already made herself a national laughing stock after a couple of press conferences where she parroted internet rumors and conspiracy memes as justification for her legal actions. So I find it hard to believe she was in the middle of some organized plan for Jan 6, since (a) law enforcement was unable to find any sort of cabal of organizers, and (b) her stature was zero after losing every case and giving a couple of cringe-worthy press conferences. And if there was some big plan that she was conspiring with others on, she'd have to be nuts to be talking about it in public interviews.
The first time I saw her, I wasn't sure whether she was an opportunist, or a true believer in the big lie. She could have started into this hoping to raise her stature, either to raise her billing rates, or land a job at the White House or RNC. But by the time we got to Jan 6, it was obvious to me that she was a believer.
And the more she talks, the more I wonder whether Sidney Powell is suffering from a mental illness. Or maybe she's just wants to be one of Trump's girls. It makes no sense.
Cipheron on 1/10/2021 at 01:02
Yeah I'm not claiming that there was anyone else involved. Note I said that she implicated Alito, but also "The second point is HOW she planned to derail events". Not "them" but "she".
The main reason of interest is her targeting the 1887 law and looking into the history to work out why someone would even look at that. look at her going on about "12th Amendment, remember the 12th Amendment" then you read about what the actual 1887 law was designed to prevent and you can see her logic.
She DID in fact launch this legal challenge on Jan 6th during the crisis and it was obviously her last ace in the sleeve and she was hoping that it would tie up the process in legal challenges. If so, she flubbed the timing, but now she's claiming it was in fact masterful timing by her and the puppet masters.
This is more speculative but fitting with what she said: imagine that she actually got the SC tied up debating whether the 1887 law was constitutional, then her camp could push that the "12th Amendment" set of rules could be used as a fall-back, and the Democrats desperate to get something confirmed before Jan 20 go along with it. THEN in the Congress, a bunch of Republican state legislators issue their own "alternate slate of electors" and basically overturn the confirmed votes, in the same sort of crisis mentioned as leading to the 1887 bill. They would have just been banking that Alito was their guy, and perhaps Powell promised some state legislators that she had Alito on side, and that's why she's pulling Alito's name into it. This may all just be to secure work from people she needs money from so she needs to keep up lies she told those people at the time.
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Cenk from TYT interviewing a prominent QAnon guy. This is really how you do a good interview. You could really SEE the levels of cult indoctrination being worked through here.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoJEBw-c3TE)
1) Cenk asks open questions to let the guy totally define what Qanon is in his own words, which the guy PR spins as a common sense bi-partisan movement to unite the working masses against elite corruption in media, government, business. This is a standard cult recruitment type pitch: avoid telling you ANYTHING that's specifically a belief of the movement.
2) Cenk pivots to hitting him with detailed, specific questions about how "brain juice harvesting" and "baby eating" fit into this. The guy then clearly starts to crack up and rambles on about how those aren't core beliefs and that they only represent a tiny fraction of the Q-posts, and they've been blown out of proportion by a 'game of telephone' and don't represent the true QAnon beliefs. So part two is to look past anything you hear about crazy beliefs as those aren't even what we're about.
3) Cenk just corners him with a yes/no question on whether HE believes the brain-juice harvesting and baby-eating is real. This is where the game is up, the guy admits he DOES believe the whole thing, except his equivocating in the second part was apparently about *who* is doing the brain-juice harvesting and baby-eating. So his whole facade of being a "reasonable" member of QAnon just crumbles in an instant.
4) The guy clearly realizes he's over-stepped so he tries to backtrack into the "this is really only about justice" stuff ... while still making sure to keep one foot in the brain-eating stuff but always allowing for plausible denial.