nbohr1more on 2/3/2021 at 04:27
There is a way to be peaceful:
"That is an interesting take. I don't agree but I never thought of it that way."
The problem is that tempers are high because everyone has joined teams to "push a narrative" or "push an anti-narrative".
There is a silly urgency about it.
Nobody needs to "counter disinformation" or "counter conspiracy theories".
It is against George Orwell's intentions that society become a mobilized force for "truth enforcement".
If you don't like that I "believe" the CIA created or released Covid 19 to kill Trump supporters (and remove him from office) then simply say
"I don't believe that, but I never thought of it that way."
But no, instead you must be "internet warriors" who force "Truth Conformity" because pop-culture has normalized this misanthropy as "heroic".
...and that has happened because political propaganda groups have infiltrated pop-culture outlets and have forced them to define
the "new cool" as "be as mean as possible to conspiracy theorists".
Take stock of this thread and WHO has been the subject of insults and aggression.
I have not posted a single cuss word about any member of this forum yet I am the one who we need to consider banning?
Good grief, and good luck.
If you are too blind to see where the aggression is coming from then it is too late to save you.
You think bullying "conspiracy nutters" is heroic.
You have decided against the normal leftist credo that you can "demonize" not only the Right but anyone who's beliefs gives them 0.05% of benefit as a side effect.
Nicker on 2/3/2021 at 05:12
Brethren. Show some respect when the Political Officer is present.
I think the train-wreckery of this thread is inherent in its subject matter. It's T***p's particular poison. He's a moral black-hole.
Glory to the Revolution!
fett on 2/3/2021 at 06:25
nbohr1more, I lived on this forum for 10 years as a conservative, republican, evangelical. If, as you claim, this space is left-leaning and everyone has joined a team, and you've persisted for hundreds of pages to change that to no avail, it's unlikely 600 more pages will do the trick. Responding with, "I never thought of it that way," isn't honest communication in most cases. Maybe the reason they haven't thought of it that way is because it makes no sense, has no proof to support it, etc. You know - the very reasons you've been given over and over already. I believe in magical unicorns, you've just never seen one because they're magical. Have you ever thought of it that way? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but put the shoe on the other foot. You've never thought about magic unicorns AT ALL because it's beyond your threshold of believability (presumably...). Maybe drop the martyr complex and read the room then. Nobody cares what view you take of anything - trust me. I've tested it to the extreme in this space. But there's a difference between stating an opinion and evangelizing. Are you here for community and conversation, or here on a crusade? I'd recommend you ask yourself these questions. Be sure I'm wondering about them as well. Mainly because it feels very much like the latter to me. If you share so little common ground with the majority here, what is the benefit of persisting? There are other places that would certainly welcome your views or at least be more tolerant of them.
And to be honest, I lean heavily toward not caring too much about trashing a 600 page Trump discussion that's long past its sell-by date and leaving a bad taste in so may people's mouths at this point. I'm just trying to catch up at the moment.
So please, carry on.
Thirith on 2/3/2021 at 06:47
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
I have not posted a single cuss word about any member of this forum yet I am the one who we need to consider banning?
No, you just accuse them of being of being shills, so fuck off with your sanctimonious bullshit.
And why should anyone want to tell you that your takes are interesting?
nemyax on 2/3/2021 at 08:07
Quote Posted by fett
I lived on this forum for 10 years as a conservative, republican, evangelical
And then what happened?
Starker on 2/3/2021 at 08:13
Remember the girl who took part in the attack on the US Capitol who was accused of stealing "Nancy Pelosi's laptop" and was insinuated to have been a Russian agent? Bellingcat has come upon some fairly compelling evidence that she's part of the accelerationist Nazi movement. Which, IMO, is far more plausible and goes a long way in explaining her motives and some of the details of the initial story.
Fair warning, the article goes to great lengths to prove her identity and, while a lot of the more explicit things are censored or omitted, it links to a fair bit of nudity and depictions of self harm. Oh, and fascism, obviously.
Quote:
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https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/02/24/woman-accused-of-stealing-nancy-pelosis-laptop-appears-in-video-making-nazi-salute/)
On January 6, 2021, Riley June Williams, a 22-year-old home care worker from Pennsylvania, was one of roughly 800 rioters who breached the US Capitol building in Washington D.C. While many engaged in property damage and violence that day, Williams' case stands out given her ex-partner has alleged to the FBI that she stole a laptop from Nancy Pelosi's office.
This former boyfriend also alleges that her goal was to sell the laptop to a Russian intelligence agency, a claim January court documents say “remains under investigation,” but which has been denied by Williams' lawyer who accuses the former partner of seeking revenge.
While Williams has not been charged with stealing the laptop itself, something she also denies, she faces multiple charges including violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds as well aiding/abetting others to “embezzle, steal, purloin.”
[...]
Several days after Williams was charged in mid-January, an antifascist activist reached out to Bellingcat with a video they believed showed her pledging allegiance to Adolf Hitler. Bellingcat has since shared the footage and findings of its investigation with NBC News.
The 36-second video opens with a young woman dancing in a dress while wearing a hat, glasses and a mask decorated with a skull. These skullmasks were adopted as a symbol by Atomwaffen and similar accelerationist Nazi terrorist groups back in 2017.
[...]
nbohr1more on 2/3/2021 at 11:02
Quote Posted by Thirith
No, you just accuse them of being of being shills, so fuck off with your sanctimonious bullshit.
And why should anyone want to tell you that your takes are interesting?
I see. So we should just openly invite shills into the forums to spam their narratives as long as they are aligned to the right political group?
How about instead we be free to render opinions about the nature of what posters are up to regardless of their political polarity and let the mods
figure out if there is any way to figure out whether these opinions have any merit?
I guess you simply lack the ability to understand how to engage in civil discourse. Of course I do not need to be told anything I say is interesting.
In fact, you don't even have to say nice things about my posts or myself. Just don't try to pretend that you are somehow a hero for resorting to insults.
Accusing someone of "being a shill" is not an insult, it is an accusation. There is a difference.
If you prohibit users from identifying suspected shills then expect to see this place shilled to hell.
If (on the other hand) you just "accusel me of being a shill" for saying this, it just heightens everyone's awareness that "shills exist" and now the forums become unfriendly to shills.
Jeshibu on 2/3/2021 at 12:54
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
I see. So we should just openly invite shills into the forums to spam their narratives as long as they are aligned to the right political group?
How about instead we be free to render opinions about the nature of what posters are up to regardless of their political polarity and let the mods
figure out if there is any way to figure out whether these opinions have any merit?
I guess you simply lack the ability to understand how to engage in civil discourse. Of course I do not need to be told anything I say is interesting.
In fact, you don't even have to say nice things about my posts or myself. Just don't try to pretend that you are somehow a hero for resorting to insults.
Accusing someone of "being a shill" is not an insult, it is an accusation. There is a difference.
If you prohibit users from identifying suspected shills then expect to see this place shilled to hell.
If (on the other hand) you just "accusel me of being a shill" for saying this, it just heightens everyone's awareness that "shills exist" and now the forums become unfriendly to shills.
An accusation of shillery without proof isn't very different from an insult. It's an assertion that you think they're acting in bad faith (which is ironic, since your accusation of acting in bad faith looks like it's being done in bad faith).
What's the endgame for "making people aware shills exist"? Shouting matches over "you're a shill!" "no u!"? What a lovely forum full of lively discourse that would be. Sign me up.
Nicker on 2/3/2021 at 13:58
Quote:
How about instead we be free to render opinions about the nature of what posters are up to regardless of their political polarity and let the mods
figure out if there is any way to figure out whether these opinions have any merit?
So, submit to arbitrary authority? Sounds like something a shill would say. And do you mean the original opinions or the opinions about those opinions? Only I want to understand if I need to self-censor my own thoughts or my reaction to someone else's?
Enquiring conspirators want to know.
Nameless Voice on 2/3/2021 at 14:13
For some reason, this thread reminds me of this great piece of Irish comedy:
[video=youtube;tewUlulsEaU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tewUlulsEaU[/video]
