nemyax on 18/2/2021 at 11:49
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Covid measures haven't affected my work (on the contrary I've been able to work from home for almost a year
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Yes, working from home has been a change for the better. I like this privilege thing.
june gloom on 18/2/2021 at 12:08
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Dude
Don't call me that.
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That's freedom of speech for you and you loonie lefty nuts seem to want to curtail that.
Why would I want to curtail something that isn't even real?
Gryzemuis on 18/2/2021 at 12:22
SubJeff. In general you are correct. But Limbaugh was such an asshole, and had such an impact on the US, that general rules don't apply.
I'm sure you agree with me that the political situation in the US is pretty fucked. And nobody even has a vague idea how to return to normalcy. That situation did not just occur by accident. It was fabricated. People intentionally did things to create a divided America. I think it started 25 years ago. Maybe longer. Politicians like Newt Gingrich and Mitch McConnell knew very well what they did and are doing. They are first to blame. But "the media" are also to blame. I'm not talking about the mainstream media. I'm talking about Fox News. What they did during the last 25 years was pure evil. But it was not just Fox News. Limbaugh played a role too. Alex Jones is another top-level asshole. Sean Hannity, Lucifer, Tucker Carlson, Beelzebub. There are more. You might think it was all fair game. Freedom of speech, etc. Differences from ideas. I don't agree. I think these people are evil and vile and hateful. I think they have been a disaster for the US, and a disaster for humanity.
Did Limbaugh kill anyone personally? Nope. They let others do that. Remember, political opinions have a real-life impact on humans. If you successfully oppose health-care for everyone, that means poor people will die needlessly. If you support war in the Middle East, that means poor people will be sent to war and will die. If you support unlimited gun ownership, dumb people will shoot each other. If you let big companies do anything they want, without restrictions, people will die of polution. People will die of opiates. People will die of smoking.
So yes, I think Limbaugh is responsible for terrible, evil, vile things. It's too bad it took 70 years for him to die. It's too bad Alex Jones is alive. It's too bad Mitch McConnell is 78 years old, and still hasn't died yet. Yes, I wish evil men would die young(er). Not just JFK and MLK.
"
Often progress is made only funeral by funeral."
-- Max Planck
Just an example why nobody should be ashamed to celebrate the death of this cockroach:
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362089913823461376)
"Rush Limbaugh had a regular radio segment where he would read off the names of gay people who died of AIDS and celebrate it and play horns and bells and stuff".
Another quote from Limbaugh:
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https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/04/17/we_really_should_thank_smokers/)
"Smokers aren't killing anybody," the conservative host declared in an April 2015 segment of the Rush Limbaugh Show, then argued that tobacco users should be thanked because their purchases generate tax dollars that fund children's health care programs. "I'm just saying there ought to be a little appreciation shown for them, instead of having them hated and reviled," Limbaugh said. "I would like a medal for smoking cigars, is what I'm saying".
Limbaugh died of lung cancer.
If you want to read more about what an arsehole he was, you can read this obituary:
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https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/rush-limbaugh-talk-radio-dies_n_5fe4e082c5b66809cb30ad57)
(I've not fully read it myself, because I don't want to waste more time reading his bullshit).
SubJeff on 18/2/2021 at 13:34
That's democracy.
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You might think it was all fair game. Freedom of speech, etc. Differences from ideas. I don't agree. I think these people are evil and vile and hateful.
Free speech can be vile and hateful.
I disagree with you. I think these people, and the situation, and even Trump himself, are a natural outcome (one of many) of American culture, such that it is. It's a result of the entire foundation and development of country over the years. Much like a lot of dreadfulness developed in Europe decades and even centuries ago - it's just to do with the maturity of the society. It'll have its ups and downs because that's just the cycle of development.
And Alex Jones is clearly unwell so I don't hold his outlandish ideas against him. The guy needs help. Listen to his last Joe Rogan experience and tell me that's just a different opinion; it's not normal behaviour.
Quote Posted by june gloom
Don't call me that.
I'll call you what I like. What's your problem with it? What do you want to be called?
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Why would I want to curtail something that isn't even real?
Oh get out. You've got it, so be happy about it. Be glad you're not in Syria or Iran. ffs
Gryzemuis on 18/2/2021 at 13:52
Quote Posted by SubJeff
I think these people, and the situation, and even Trump himself, are a natural outcome (one of many) of American culture, such that it is. It's a result of the entire foundation and development of country over the years.
You seem to think culture is something that develops "just by itself". I don't agree. I think there are individuals who have a direct and noticeable impact on culture. Limbaugh himself certainly had an impact on the US political culture. And he knew it. And he misused it, for his own personal gain. He got paid well for spouting his vile. He had a very negative impact on the US, on its political climate, on its political culture. He knew that. He continued anyway.
I know people were celebrating in the streets in the UK when Thatcher died. I didn't like Thatcher myself, but don't know enough about Thatcher and UK politics to decide whether that celebrating was justified or not. But Limbaugh is a different thing. Wherever I go on the Internet today, everybody (besides the alt-right) seems to be very happy he is dead. Limbaugh's evilness is not just the opinion of a few people. It is fact.
SubJeff on 18/2/2021 at 14:11
People like that can only take advantage of the climate.
Just like Trump. It's all a continuum. Bring Rush here and he'd be rubbished out of the studio in short order.
faetal on 18/2/2021 at 19:17
I guess celebrating death can be a bit dicey, so my spin on it is that I hope that after his coffin is lowered into the earth, he isn't actually dead.
#positivevibesonly
Tocky on 18/2/2021 at 19:53
LOL faetal.
And no Subjeff, Limbaugh was not just taking advantage of a climate. He helped to foster that climate with arrogance, ignorance, and hatred spewed daily. I used to listen to him quite often. He never missed an opportunity to further and encourage bigotry and hatred. But, as you say, he did not directly kill anyone, which is your only criteria for celebrating his death. It is not mine. Anyone who made the world a worse place is celebrated by me upon their passing. Particularly when he celebrated the passing of so many good people with a national bully pulpit as a megaphone for his hate.
Pyrian on 18/2/2021 at 20:50
A right should - as much as possible - be extended even unto people who seek to deny such rights.
A courtesy does not need to be extended to the same people who deny the very same courtesies.
Is not speaking ill of the dead a courtesy, or a right?
mopgoblin on 18/2/2021 at 21:44
Sub Jeff political climate change denier confirmed :o
Seriously though, I'm generally not a fan of celebrating people's deaths. Buuuuut, like with Thatcher, it's a bit trickier when you think about how many people died who might have lived if not for this dickhead's influence on American politics. It's not so indirect that it wasn't foreseeable that people - particular kinds of people - would die (and, as mentioned previously, he celebrated the deaths of some of the people he demonised), nor was it some trolley problem nonsense where someone had to die either way and it was a matter of choosing who. If we look more broadly at human suffering other than death, he was a monster by any human measure. It doesn't matter if he didn't personally kill or criminally harm these people, because we're not trying to convict him of a crime, we're just saying we're glad he's finally gone. That's free speech, it doesn't have to be nice or polite. Hell, if we're following the American approach, pissing on his grave would be an expression of free speech too. And I get that complaining about that is free speech too, but it's a bit whiny for my tastes so I freely spoke these words about it