demagogue on 21/1/2021 at 15:03
Speaking of conspiracy mongering though, look at what a Wikileaks Deep Dive on Biden comes up with. :joke:
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faetal on 21/1/2021 at 15:30
:laff:
lowenz on 21/1/2021 at 16:24
geocities :D
Starker on 21/1/2021 at 19:21
Quote Posted by demagogue
Uh, people did not dislike Clinton because her cold hard facts didn't appeal to them.
I didn't mean to imply it was the sole reason she lost, just that her appeals to facts didn't win over her opponent's appeals to emotion, but yes, there had been a lot of groundwork laid there already. I just didn't want to go into Whitewater and all the -gates and Benghazi and buttery males and whatnot.
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It doesn't really matter for the situation or this debate what you call passion when you don't like it.
And if you think that the solution to overcome irrational emotionalized Trumpites is to emotionalize the Democrats then you're just furthering a conflict that has almost torn your country apart.
I think y'all need to calm down and think soberly about how to get along.
If the US continues with business as usual and everyone on the opposing side of Lord Dampnut will calm down and sit home and uncancel brunch, there will be a repeat in 4 years guaranteed. The US has won a brief respite, pulled the breaks and teetered on the edge, but this is far from over. There's a lot of work to be done and it's not cold sober facts that will motivate people to do it. Because you can bet that Lord Dampnut and his enablers will
not calm the fuck down and will build and organise and fire their people up. If you think this cold civil war can just be reasoned out, you haven't really paid attention to the culture wars that have been raging the past decades. Continuing with sober policy did nothing to defeat the Tea Party populism. Facts didn't dissuade the (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ng0N26MGk) anti-tax movement who won largely by appealing to emotion and transformed a large part of the political landscape into what it is today.
The Democrats don't need to win over Lord Dampnut's followers (though it's vastly preferable that they do win over at least some of the less devout ones), they need to build the widest coalition possible against them and then enact reforms to try to deal with the root of the problem: inequality, long term job insecurity, etc. They will need to win both the hearts and minds of their fellow citizens. And this can't be done by arguing about policy differences. There has to be a vision for the country everyone can work towards. Obama's policy fit on a poster. Lord Dampnut's policy fit on a trucker hat, and Biden won by not being Lord Dampnut and by promising to restore the soul of the nation.
Kolya on 21/1/2021 at 21:23
Since you're unwilling to reason, why don't you try attacking some minor country at the other end of the world? That always used to bring you guys back together.
demagogue on 21/1/2021 at 23:53
Well this didn't take long.
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(
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-impeachment-taylor-greene-qanon-b1790965.html) Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene files articles of impeachment against Joe Biden
Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene has filed articles of impeachment against Joe Biden the day after he was inaugurated as president.
The lawmaker, who has ties to the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory, took to Twitter to announce her action against the new president.
“I've just filed articles of impeachment on president Joe Biden, we will see how this goes," she said.
Ms Greene, who is a pro-Trump election fraud conspiracy theorist, was able to use the social media platform after being banned from it for 12 hours last weekend.
Twitter blocked her account for violating the rules it put in place following the violence at the 6 January Capitol riot.
SubJeff on 21/1/2021 at 23:57
America, lol
Starker on 22/1/2021 at 00:27
Quote Posted by Kolya
Since you're unwilling to reason, why don't you try attacking some minor country at the other end of the world? That always used to bring you guys back together.
It's less that the people in the US are unwilling to reason and more that as a rule you don't convince people based on reason and facts alone. If it was so, cars would be advertised based on their features only, not by how much sex you're going to have when you buy one.
Here's a 20ish minutes long video that goes a bit into the different aspects of rhetoric and how they function:
[video=youtube;_DGdDQrXv5U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DGdDQrXv5U[/video]
demagogue on 22/1/2021 at 02:22
Here's one way QAnons can deal with their reality crumbling around them.
Project Shadowprez. :joke:
Whatever helps you sleep at night, man.
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