Nicker on 19/7/2020 at 08:05
What are you on about (wink)?
trudnicki on 19/7/2020 at 08:37
Quote Posted by Nicker
The absence of obscenities in your posts doesn't make them any less execrable. Do you really think, that in all our collective experience, the sophomoric, dogeared tropes you trot out, are fresh revelations? You are preceded here by far more competent and articulate purveyors of conspiracy porn. I suggest you review their work and up your game.
Or consider raph's generous advice.
If You can just prove me wrong i leave you all alone here. I promise. As for this thread You dont have Trump problem. You just dont realize that dont you ?
Your problem is that a long time ago some ppl present You with "democracy" and "freedom" so choose from what choice is given to you. Be free to do what we say is allowed to do.
Double standards. American troops liberated concentration camps yet color segregation and no vote rights for colored in USA lasted till 1970.
Your problem is Society lack of proper education. Self thinking. Look at the ppl on the bus and trains on the streets Smartphone Zombies on faceshit which was also used to manipulate the voting.
As to Russia i heard about blaming them for setting up voting system in USA. Cyber war accusations, i have laugh because America together with israel used cyber war first against Iran nuclear facilities
If society is healthy You dont have Trump as a leader which btw he is not. Look Switzerland ppl make choices there referendums are common and politicians have to listen or go
Consider my generous offer and open your eyes and ears.
rachel on 19/7/2020 at 09:12
Where you're wrong is I'm French, not American.
The rest goes beyond wrong and crosses into trolling territory so I'll just put you on ignore and happily carry on with my day.
trudnicki on 19/7/2020 at 10:00
i did not assume that You are American at any point
since when expressing an opinion is trolling or did i missed some voting on freedom of internet and speech :)
Thirith on 19/7/2020 at 10:17
Since when is ignoring you an infringement on your free speech? :confused:
Gryzemuis on 20/7/2020 at 09:21
No no, Renzatic. That story can't be right. We just read here that those things happen only in Russia. Never in the US. JFK and his brother Robert were Russians, you know that. Martin Luther King was also shot by russians. Harvey Milk was russian. America is a democracy. And one of the only two true free countries in the world. (FYI Texas is the other true free country in the world).
So that story can't be right.
Starker on 20/7/2020 at 10:06
Funny, somehow I don't remember JFK's political opponent Nixon ruling for 20 years unopposed during that time and then reluctantly agreeing to hold the office for 16 more years.
After all, the US is just as bad as Russia amirite? Now, do you want to discuss the state of civil rights in Russia and compare it to the US? Cause I could go on for quite a while.
Tocky on 20/7/2020 at 13:50
Nobody is saying the US is perfect. Hell, newcomers, look at the existence of this thread as both proof of that and proof that we aren't so imperfect yet either. We can still speak against our leaders without a knock on the door by KGB or invitation to a polonium tea. YOU though are proof the new KGB is getting very good at dissemination of propaganda.
Edit: You see we don't want it to get that bad which is why we oppose Trump who loves authoritarian leaders like Putin. He has stated he wishes he could do what Putin does about his press, which is to kill them, though he would not explicitly state that. Let's try to keep the conversation on current events instead of decades old conspiracy theories though. If you want to let us in on the latest conspiracy theory from the Internet Research Agency about Trump and Deutsch Bank that would be peachy but I don't expect you will because Russia is also neck deep in laundering funds there. Still, it would be good to hear the Russian story on it.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/17/deutsche-bank-faces-action-over-20bn-russian-money-laundering-scheme)
heywood on 20/7/2020 at 18:34
Think what happened in Russia couldn't happen here? Our country is in the most precarious situation it's been in for 150 years.
In Portland we've got federal gestapo with no identification beating protesters and pulling people off the streets into unmarked vans. Same thing happened in DC. There was just an attempted hit on a federal judge who presided over a case connected to Trump (may be related, maybe not). Trump is pushing out career leaders across all the federal agencies, people with principles, in favor of cronies loyal to him. We've got an Attorney General who doesn't seem to care much about the law. Regulations are being thrown away as gifts to the President's political supporters. The President is openly hostile to the media, openly supportive of the world's authoritarian regimes, and has disdain for liberalism and multilateralism. He speaks favorably of white supremacists. He stokes xenophobia. He's trying to use what power he has to try to throw an election by suppressing votes. He's an anti-humanist. He's happy to write off hundreds of thousands of American lives in this pandemic. And he's a criminal.
Even after all this, 40% of the country still stands behind him, cheering him on. And his supporters are fervent and unified. He's got Boogaloos and militias ready to jump in and start the purge for him. The rest of the country is disunified, distracted by the pandemic, and in a state of shock and disbelief at what they're seeing. The opposition is a milquetoast geezer who isn't leading his party and won't even campaign because he's afraid of putting his foot in his mouth. We're hoping enough people will hate Trump enough to show up at the polls in November, but it's not certain that it's even going to be a fair election.
And all this has happened in just 3.5 years with Trump. Putin was in office for 3.5 years at the end of 2003. Consider what has changed in Russia since then. Trump seems to be making faster progress than Putin did.