lowenz on 17/2/2020 at 10:26
Quote Posted by Starker
Slightly better? You think he intends to cripple your institutions and democratic norms just like Lord Dampnut and put a bunch of incompetents and grifters in charge?
No surprise if you ask me.
Those men think in corporate manner when not plain nepotism (so you got yesmen everywhere).
Starker on 17/2/2020 at 11:07
I'll mention just in case that I'm not saying Bloomberg is a good guy or that he would be a good president. What interests me is Renzatic thinking he would be just as bad and what he's basing this on. Did he run New York into the ground when he was mayor? Did he put a bunch of his cronies and his own family in important positions and demand loyalty to him above anything else? Did he funnel city money to his own businesses? What exactly did he do that makes him basically the Democrat version of Lord Dampnut apart from being an egotistical ass?
jkcerda on 17/2/2020 at 15:32
Quote Posted by Starker
Slightly better? You think he intends to cripple your institutions and democratic norms just like Lord Dampnut and put a bunch of incompetents and grifters in charge?
damn Starker, sounds like you would vote for Mao to Stop Hitler............ you are part of the "blue no matter who"......
Starker on 17/2/2020 at 16:01
I just posted a clip talking about that earlier. Pay attention.
Also, nobody in your mainstream left is all that left, actually. Even your most extreme left wing candidate Bernie is pro capitalism.
heywood on 17/2/2020 at 16:43
Bloomberg and Trump are dangerous for different reasons.
If Bloomberg wins the Democratic nomination, it will set a horrible precedent and fundamentally weaken the party. The traditional primary campaign activities like organizing, fundraising, stumping, pressing flesh are what builds the strength of the party. If Bloomberg can skip all of that and just show up at the door with a bag of money and be welcomed in, and then win the nomination, it renders all of that work moot. Not to mention it’s just fundamentally unfair.
We all know about HRC buying out the DNC before 2016 and all the fairness issues that raised. But even Hillary had to put in a long effort to build an organization capable of winning. And in the aftermath of the 2016 loss, the nominating process was made a little more egalitarian. If Bloomberg wins, all those complaints about fairness in the nominating process will come back even stronger.
He's also highly likely to lose against Trump, because his nomination will suppress turnout of young voters, minority voters, and the left wing. And I don’t see how he has anything to appeal to those blue collar Democrats who went with Trump last time. They wouldn't vote for a centrist establishment type last time around, so why would they vote for a billionaire centrist establishment type this time?
His record as Mayor is mixed. One thing I didn’t like is that he accelerated the gentrification of the city. It seems like Bloomberg never met a high end development project he didn’t like. Lower and middle class neighborhoods were razed to make way for swanky new projects, and he raised property taxes multiple times. The result is a nicer city for the rich, but an unaffordable and somewhat unwelcoming city for anyone else trying to make a living there. The other thing I really don’t like about Bloomberg is that he’s a control freak who doesn’t have much use for civil liberties. That’s enough for me not to vote for him, even if he did run a conventional race.
In my mind, there's not much point in thinking too hard about whether Trump or Bloomberg is worse for the country, because I won't vote for either one of them.
Starker on 17/2/2020 at 17:54
Okay, now that's more like it.
But I'm still having a hard time seeing what makes him
as bad -- the Mao to Lord Dampnut's Hitler. Everything he's accused of, Lord Dampnut has supported and worse.
First, if Lord Dampnut was a billionaire, he would buy the next election just as surely.
Also, Lord Dampnut has supported stop and frisk in New York in the past and even wanted the Chicago police to use it. Not to mention him publicly saying the police should rough up their suspects more. And his administration has changed federal sentencing guidelines to seek the harshest possible penalties for crimes. Except in the case Roger Stone, of course, cause he's an ally of Lord Dampnut.
And from all accounts, Lord Dampnut was being completely deplorable when he tried to do some gentrification on his own, so it's not like he made the city a better place either: (
https://money.cnn.com/2016/03/28/news/trump-apartment-tenants/)
jkcerda on 17/2/2020 at 17:58
exactly why it's baffling to see you support Mini trump simply because that POS has a "D" next to his name this time around..........trump does not like buying shit, hell he skipped paying contractors plenty of times. mini mike is looking worse than even Hillary.:eek:
Starker on 17/2/2020 at 18:11
Who's supporting him? I don't even know who he is. I'm asking what makes him the equivalent of Lord Dampnut and just as bad. Cause we have a whole thread documenting all the crap that has been going on under Lord Dampnut's reign.