Tony_Tarantula on 6/4/2019 at 02:34
Hot take on Buttigig:
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Trump is going to spend the next year and a half as president. That's pretty much a given by this point.. Hell, he may even win another term in office. But you have to be utterly deluded to believe he hasn't dipped himself neck deep into some pretty hinky shit, surrounding himself with morally compromised character, doing things that only further suspicion on himself. I mean you and yours have spun up far greater conspiracy theories on other politicians with far, far less evidence.
It's hard not to think that the only reason you believe someone like Hillary is guilty of all sins, while Trump is beyond reproach is simply because you like one better than the other?
Is it that hard for people to accept that BOTH of them are very obviously people who are shady as shit and willing to do literally anything to make a buck?
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Fine. Bust them too, if it is a fact. But how does what that make Trump's tacit approval of child sex trafficking alright? And remember, Donald traveled in the same circles and has also been accused of child rape. So what's your point?
Bust them all and throw away the key.
First sane thing you've said in a long time. Trump is known to have traveled to Lolita Island.
The unique Pizzagate thing seems bizarre. The underlying idea well....One piece of information is that I've been told by people who work with rescue agencies that the customers are business and political leaders I'd probably recognize the names of
The other thing is that shit like this (some of Podesta's "art") is just NOT normal by any stretch of the imagination. At the very least putting something like that in your collection is indicative of someone who is extremely fucked up in the head.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNZyY85VAAAT1e4.jpgNot that it's entirely unpredictable. Humans simply aren't wired to handle that level of abundance and people get into some weird shit, as was publicized in the expose of Prince Jefri: (
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/gq-sex-and-relationships-anka-radakovich-on-sex-in-prince-jefris-harems)
Renzatic on 6/4/2019 at 03:23
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Is it that hard for people to accept that BOTH of them are very obviously people who are shady as shit and willing to do literally anything to make a buck?
That's pretty much the bare truth of it, really. I'd say that the biggest differences between them is that the Clinton's can weather controversy with more tact and panache, since both well educated lawyers who came to learn over time how to cover their tracks after spending years and years in politics. Trump, on the other hand, was born into wealth, never worked in a public position until 2016, and therefore never really had a chance or reason to develop those skills.
It's funny how the Clinton investigation mirrors Trump's. Ken Starr, Comey, and everyone else involved was
sure they did something. There were so many little clues pointing towards them being a little shady about things. But they couldn't amass enough evidence to justify a case, so they settled on charging him with lying about getting a BJ to congress.
Trump? He's a helluva more transparent about everything. He openly does things to make people suspicious. He doesn't even try to hide it. The only reason why he hasn't been busted for it is probably because he hasn't been to successful with it, so it becomes more a moral issue, rather than a legal one. Like it's pretty much a given that the Trump campaign did reach out to Russian intelligence to gain access to the information they hacked from the DNC. Their only saving grace was that the Russians didn't provide them anything they liked, so they walked away from the table. End result? No collusion. They flirted with the idea of doing so, but never committed to it. It's reprehensible. It portrays Trump and co. as being opportunistic jackals, but...it's not illegal.
Here's the best way I'd explain Trump, and the current situation surrounding him.
Pretend he's some regular guy. Say, one day, they find his wife dead. Stabbed multiple times with kitchen knives. There's tons of circumstantial evidence tying him to the crime. He and his wife were in the midst of a divorce, and it looks like she may gain custody of his kids. On top of that, his wife just took out a new insurance policy the day before, and he's a beneficiary, since they're still officially married. He's got the motive.
Then one day they find his best friend burying a set of expensive silverware in his backyard. He's got spoons, forks, and...whoa, hey, some nice steak knives. Why is his best friend burying steak knives in his back yard?
Trump speaks up, says "well you dumb fucks are out to get me. I buried those steak knives so you wouldn't have more reason to tie me to a crime I didn't commit! Witch hunt!"
Looks suspicious as fuck, right?
So they end up investigating him as the prime suspect. There's a lot of media hulabaloo surrounding the hearing. He says lots of very stupid things that make him look even worse than he did before. By the time it's all over, there just isn't enough evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt. There were other factors in play that point to other potential suspects, and the evidence had on him was just circumstantial.
Then, days later, we find out that the silverware his best friend was burying in his backyard was stolen, and they were trying to hide the evidence. Everyone hyped him up as a murderer. Hell, he looked like a murderer for awhile. But he's not. He's just a petty fucking thief.
...and that's Donald J. Trump.
Starker on 6/4/2019 at 04:46
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The other thing is that shit like this (some of Podesta's "art") is just NOT normal by any stretch of the imagination. At the very least putting something like that in your collection is indicative of someone who is extremely fucked up in the head.
Art is not supposed to be "normal", it is supposed to be subversive and provocative. And this is just one example of a vast collection of someone who collects weird art to begin with.
Also, what art a person owns is definitely not indicative of who they are as a person. Just because someone plays GTA doesn't mean they want to murder innocent civilians or torture prisoners. And just because someone watches movies by Noboru Iguchi doesn't mean they are a deviant.
Nicker on 6/4/2019 at 06:15
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First sane thing you've said in a long time.
Cool. One / nothing for me then.
Nicker on 6/4/2019 at 06:30
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He's just a petty fucking thief.
He's petty and he's a thief but he's not a petty-thief.
nbohr1more on 6/4/2019 at 06:40
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Trump? He's a helluva more transparent about everything. He openly does things to make people suspicious. He doesn't even try to hide it. The only reason why he hasn't been busted for it is probably because he hasn't been to successful with it, so it becomes more a moral issue, rather than a legal one. Like it's pretty much a given that the Trump campaign did reach out to Russian intelligence to gain access to the information they hacked from the DNC. Their only saving grace was that the Russians didn't provide them anything they liked, so they walked away from the table. End result? No collusion. They flirted with the idea of doing so, but never committed to it. It's reprehensible. It portrays Trump and co. as being opportunistic jackals, but...it's not illegal.
This is what makes me EXTREMELY angry.
If Trump were a journalist, and he was looking for info about how Hillary was betraying the country by selling access to Top Secret "Special Access Programs" info
and he talked with a "source" in Russia. We would be celebrating his willingness to risk the wrath of the IC community to expose this bad behavior.
Instead, we see that Wikileaks was already intending to divulge this info MONTHS before Trump ever knew about it and Trump comes along and goes
"Hey Russia, if you're listening why not release those emails."
Then everyone forgets that they are sovereign citizens of a FREE SOCIETY with FREEDOM OF THE PRESS and they are ENTITLED TO KNOW WHEN POLITICIANS ARE DOING ILLEGAL STUFF!!!
Trump calling to Russia to ask them for INFORMATION WE SHOULD ALL HAVE ACCESS TO should NOT BE A CRIME.
And that Judicial Watch must file FOIA LAWSUIT after FOIA LAWSUIT to legally obtain that info is an utter disgrace.
And that Left leaning media portrays the PURSUIT of that info as TREASON is ludicrous and betrays that they think we've all forgotten the basic meaning of
why investigative journalists LOOK FOR EXACTLY WHAT WIKILEAKS RELEASES!!!! ARGHH!!!!
Renzatic on 6/4/2019 at 06:55
I'd reverse image search that particular piece, but...no.
Renzatic on 6/4/2019 at 07:04
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If Trump were a journalist, and he was looking for info about how Hillary was betraying the country by selling access to Top Secret "Special Access Programs" info
and he talked with a "source" in Russia. We would be celebrating his willingness to risk the wrath of the IC community to expose this bad behavior.
What you're neglecting is that Trump isn't a journalist, and he wasn't contacting sources in Russia to expose Hillary's actions to a deserving public. He was trying to personally benefit from their actions, using this information gathered through clandestine means as a way to further his own campaign.
Motive is key word here, that fine line that separates a whistleblower from a blackmailer, Assange from Snowden.
Assange himself seemed to host the DNC emails not for the sake of public disclosure, but to nurse a grudge he had against Hillary after she badmouthed him. If he were so concerned about exposing all the lies and deceptions foisted upon us by our political parties, you'd think he'd play a more equal opportunity host. Thus far, the Russians and Assange have kept their espionage attempts primarily focused on the DNC, allegedly keeping secret what information they may or may not have for any theoretical RNC hack. It makes what they've done so much less noble.
Starker on 6/4/2019 at 07:23
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I'd reverse image search that particular piece, but...no.
What piece? The one that Tony posted? It's by Biljana Djurdjevic who made a lot of art influenced by the chaos and violence in Serbia during the Yugoslav Wars. There's nothing particularly "out there" about her work: (
http://biljanadjurdjevic.com/home/work)
nbohr1more on 6/4/2019 at 07:35
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What you're neglecting is that Trump isn't a journalist, and he wasn't contacting sources in Russia to expose Hillary's actions to a deserving public. He was trying to personally benefit from their actions, using this information gathered through clandestine means as a way to further his own campaign.
Motive is key word here.
And it is still of little consequence because Wikileaks would have released the data regardless of what an "unlikely reality show clown candidate"
asked for in a sarcastic quip.
This is made all the more pointless by these facts:
Julian Assange is a world class hacker (Mendax) who previous infiltrated the Pentagon to reposition spy satellites and take photos
from them as proof of the hack.
Why would he need to "contract out to Russians" who are so inept according to the prosecution filings that they used CCleaner to cleanup their work?
Why would any "hacker" be needed when John Podesta's password was "password"?
Why contact the Russians when it was revealed in the Strzok investigation that China had a persistent connection to the server anyway?
Why contact the Russians when the NY branch office of the FBI were gonna go on strike if nobody spoke about the issues with Hillary's investigation
(wouldn't that have the same impact)?
Candidate Trump would not benefit substantially from Russian "hackers" because Hillary and Podesta were already so ridiculously infiltrated
and compromised that having them intervene would be superfluous. His quip was akin to going "Hey Katrina looters, steal a TV so you can watch The Apprentice"...
but was at least societally beneficial since it was a call for information about a corrupt politician.