SlyFoxx on 5/4/2019 at 22:09
The left were singing Mueller Xmas carols on late night TV. It was going to be the bomb that blows bad orange man out of office. Nothing burger is the result. How do those grapes taste?
Renzatic on 5/4/2019 at 22:32
Orange man bad. :(
Pyrian on 5/4/2019 at 22:49
With removal requiring 2/3's of the Republican controlled senate and simply resulting in President Pence anyway, I can't say I was expecting much from the Mueller report. However, Trump in his usual way has managed to exacerbate the situation, with Barr's shenanigans and likely further attempts to bury the actual report (nevermind Mueller's team finally starting to leak) just making him look worse and worse instead of better. This was spun as his big exoneration (despite even the Barr memo explicitly stating otherwise) but public opinion polls didn't even budge.
Tucker Carlson reportedly floated a frighteningly plausible scenario: Trump doesn't want to get reelected and is trying to sabotage his own chances. This would certainly explain some of his behavior (the ACA lawsuit in particular) and dovetails with reports that he doesn't much like the actual job (just the rallies). Why is that frightening? Well, similar reports were that he didn't want to be president in the first place, and he was juuuust incompetent enough to fail at it...
Vae on 5/4/2019 at 23:22
Quote Posted by SlyFoxx
The left were singing Mueller Xmas carols on late night TV. It was going to be the bomb that blows bad orange man out of office. Nothing burger is the result. How do those grapes taste?
They taste like shit!...which makes us even more angry and vengeful since losing the election!...:mad:
...and now, we have no choice but to invent a new conspiracy theory of a cover-up, in order to keep this ball rolling!...
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Starker on 6/4/2019 at 00:26
Let's see the Mueller report first, shall we? I very highly doubt it's a nothingburger, given all the guilty pleas and indictments it produced.
And you don't need the Mueller report to see that Lord Dampnut's dealings with Russia have been extraordinarily shady. He was seeking a major deal in Russia, kept it secret and lied about it, all while running for President and praising Russia and its president. His son met with Russians representing the Russian government to get dirt on his opponent. He fired the director of the FBI because of "that Russia thing", and bragged about it to a Russian diplomat, saying that firing Comey took great pressure off him.
Just these things alone are enough to suspect him. Now, if Mueller didn't find enough evidence to charge him with a crime, fair enough, but that doesn't exonerate Lord Dampnut in any shape or form.
Vae on 6/4/2019 at 01:07
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Let's see the Mueller report first, shall we? I very highly doubt it's a nothingburger, given all the guilty pleas and indictments it produced.
These indictments produced
process crimes...having nothing to do with the
Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory.
If one were to meticulously comb through all of congress, they would discover a multitude of
process crimes...because most of them have skeletons in their closets.
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And you don't need the Mueller report to see that Lord Dampnut's dealings with Russia have been extraordinarily shady. He was seeking a major deal in Russia, kept it secret and lied about it, all while running for President and praising Russia and its president. His son met with Russians representing the Russian government to get dirt on his opponent. He fired the director of the FBI because of "that Russia thing", and bragged about it to a Russian diplomat, saying that firing Comey took great pressure off him.
Just these things alone are enough to suspect him.
These "suspicious observations" are elements of a
hypothesis, that forms a basis for a
theory of a
conspiracy...which is known as the
Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory.
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Now, if Mueller didn't find enough evidence to charge him with a crime, fair enough, but that doesn't exonerate Lord Dampnut in any shape or form.
You bet your ass it doesn't!...With all the emotional investment and blind hatred for orange man, the conspiracy theory must live on forever!...:mad:
Nicker on 6/4/2019 at 01:29
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Trump didn't "intentionally" bypass SCIF clearances to allow this woman to gain access to classified materials the way that Hillary and her cohorts did.
Buh buh... HILLARY!! It doesn't matter what Trump intends, it only matters what he does and says NOW and contradicts an hour from now.
Trump insists on using an active golf and country club as the second White House. It is very difficult, if impossible to secure (physically and electronically), in the way that say, Camp David is. It is kept ready, for this purpose). To top it off, Trump still discusses matters of state and presumably top secret issues, on a FUCKING unsecured cell phone. Remember him ordering attacks on Syria (or some shit) and discussing North Korea in the middle of a huge dining room, packed with who the fuck knows members of the obscenely rich. Plus his SFB kids are using unsecured servers in the FUCKING Whiter House.
And that's just what we know about.
Like I said - Hillary's Emails times a FUCKING thousand.
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Pizzagate folks have been complaining about Eptstein for over 2 years now. Especially in light of the fact that Bill Clinton and Kevin Spacey
were frequent guests on his "Lolita Express" airplane. MSNBC will never discuss that though.
Fine. Bust them too, if it is a fact. But how does that make Trump's tacit approval of child sex trafficking alright? And remember, Donald traveled in the same circles and has also been accused of child rape. So what's your point?
Bust them all and throw away the key.
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About that "basementless" claim?
What about it? If there is good evidence that a crime took place, it should be investigated.
That still doesn't justify the shit show that is the Trump Administration nor the actions and words of King Shit himself.
Starker on 6/4/2019 at 01:32
You're the only one talking about a conspiracy theory, Vae, because you so desperately need it to be one, but these are not elements of a hypothesis, these are established facts that in and of themselves are incredibly damning. As I have said before, we knew all of these things beforehand and the only question that remained was whether there was a crime committed. How is waiting for investigators to do their job a conspiracy theory? Not to mention that everyone here is willing to accept the conclusions of the Mueller report.
Renzatic on 6/4/2019 at 01:43
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You bet your ass it doesn't!...With all the emotional investment and blind hatred for orange man, the conspiracy theory must live on forever!...:mad:
Have you ever considered that maybe it's you who's too emotionally invested. That you've projected so much on the man, your self chosen savior of all things great about America, protector of our way of life, that you willingly miss the forest for the trees, accusing others of actions you yourself readily engage in?
Trump is going to spend the next year and a half as president. That's pretty much a given by this point.. Hell, he may even win another term in office. But you have to be utterly deluded to believe he hasn't dipped himself neck deep into some pretty hinky shit, surrounding himself with morally compromised character, doing things that only further suspicion on himself. I mean you and yours have spun up far greater conspiracy theories on other politicians with far, far less evidence.
It's hard not to think that the only reason you believe someone like Hillary is guilty of all sins, while Trump is beyond reproach is simply because you like one better than the other?
Starker on 6/4/2019 at 02:02
Also, trying to dismiss Mueller's indictments and guilty pleas as mere process crimes is incredibly dishonest. These were not mere slip-ups that can happen to anyone, these were people willingly lying to the FBI, defrauding the United States, committing large scale identity fraud, lying under oath, tampering with witnesses, violating lobbying laws, undermining US elections.
And we don't even know yet what Mueller uncovered on Lord Dampnut and his associates, only that it wasn't quite enough to press charges. But I highly doubt that it was nothing.