nickie on 16/2/2018 at 21:13
@ dema - I rely on you (amongst others) for clarity and enlightenment. The *thing* thing is just befuddling.
@ Renz - I'm sorry, you're quite right, I shouldn't be mean. It's not your fault you live in a dysfunctional country. I live in one too so I should know better.
Renzatic on 16/2/2018 at 21:31
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You see, I truly have zero political leanings, and I am aware that lots of you guys here are quite opinionated in your politics.
You lie like this again, and I might consider taking drastic measures. You can discuss all you want, but don't even
pretend that you're a neutral observer in all of this, sitting on high, casting your perfectly logical conclusions down upon we, the unwashed masses. At the very least, you're as partisan as the rest of us. Most likely, you're the most biased of us all, engaging in conspiracy theories and deflections to protect He Who Will Make America Great Again.
And Nickie, I was kidding. You didn't really hurt my feelings or anything. Though I have to admit that things have become a bit flaky around here in the States as of late.
demagogue on 17/2/2018 at 00:24
Quote Posted by nickie
@ dema - I rely on you (amongst others) for clarity and enlightenment. The *thing* thing is just befuddling.
Haha, ok, I'll resist the temptation because it's for you. :)
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Edit: our new inn friend
And whatever that means
- I was responding to inn-sidious, the new member that got this latest ball rolling.
- I believe you when you say you're anti-Hillary and Trump was a side-show since you were already saying that during the election. A lot of people were saying that. And that's how I interpret this talk about you being "neutral"; I take it you mean about supporting Trump as president. For you, it's just that he's not Hillary, why did Dems think they could run her, etc... Got it.
- The oligarch connection isn't particularly controversial. Trump deals with rich Russian businessmen. Whether anything sanctionable can be shaken out of those relationships is a matter of whether there is any evidence or not. I understand a lot of people that don't want him as president hope that something shakes out, but as a lawyer I just go with the evidence. It doesn't seem that's the route they're taking against him, so I take it that means the evidence is thin? I'd personally rather him be 25th-Amendment-booted or voted out for being a truly awful president than some gimmick on the side, anyway; but as we're talking about in the direct democracy thread that's probably expecting too much from the cabinet or electorate.
Goldmoon Dawn on 17/2/2018 at 02:17
Quote Posted by Renzatic
You lie like this again, and I might consider taking drastic measures. You can discuss all you want, but don't even
pretend that you're a neutral observer in all of this At the very least, you're as partisan as the rest of us.
OK, but whatever my "leanings" may be, they most certainly are *not* pro-Trump or pro-Republican. I am anti-
BOTH parties. They are a big trap, a joke, a sham, keeps all the people divided, very unfair to us good patriots, and I long for the day when its finally all exposed and out in the open. btw, we are getting there...
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but as a lawyer I just go with the evidence. It doesn't seem that's the route they're taking against him, so I take it that means the evidence is thin?
Ah dema, I appreciate your discretion. :D
uncadonego on 17/2/2018 at 03:10
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
When I saw Hillary running again, that was all that I was focused on, Trump wasnt even a consideration, merely a side-joke, in the beginning of course. The fact that Trump bullied everyone all the way to the office says *nothing* about him, and says *everything* about the countries disdain for Hillary, who the democrats just *HAD* to have on this ticket!
Why did they do that again? Even Sanders had a better chance at taking down Trump!
Hillary got three MILLION more votes than Trump! That's not disdain for Hillary, that's winning the POPULAR vote.
Renzatic on 17/2/2018 at 03:23
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
OK, but whatever my "leanings" may be, they most certainly are *not* pro-Trump or pro-Republican. I am anti-
BOTH parties. They are a big trap, a joke, a sham, keeps all the people divided, very unfair to us good patriots, and I long for the day when its finally all exposed and out in the open. btw, we are getting there...
You remember that one post you made a couple pages back? How is it that you can follow the Republican party line so close to the very letter that it sounds like you're reading from a one of their stump speech high point memos, yet turn around and so boldly claim that you're anti both parties? Your talk does not match your walk.
Goldmoon Dawn on 17/2/2018 at 03:26
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Hillary got three MILLION more votes than Trump! That's not disdain for Hillary, that's winning the POPULAR vote.
Oh gawd, this silly argument again? Yeah, millions of Shillary drones clumped up in a few huge cities does *NOT* represent the bulk of the citizens across the great nation. *Hence the need* for the electoral college.
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How is it that you can follow the Republican party line so close to the very letter that it sounds like you're reading from a one of their stump speech high point memos
Which I find quite strange, since I gave up on *all* news outlets months ago...
Renzatic on 17/2/2018 at 03:47
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
Oh gawd, this silly argument again? Yeah, millions of Shillary drones clumped up in a few huge cities does *NOT* represent the bulk of the citizens across the great nation. *Hence the need* for the electoral college.
You do realize that 70% of the country lives in these few huge cities, right? I believe something like the mass bulk of our population lives in something like 4% of our country's total landmass.
So yeah, those millions of people who live in those few huge cities kinda do represent the majority consensus.
Vae on 17/2/2018 at 04:13
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
You see, I truly have zero political leanings, and I am aware that lots of you guys here are quite opinionated in your politics.
Quote Posted by Renzatic
You lie like this again, and I might consider taking drastic measures.
Quote Posted by demagogue
I believe you when you say you're anti-Hillary and Trump was a side-show since you were already saying that during the election. A lot of people were saying that. And that's how I interpret this talk about you being "neutral"; I take it you mean about supporting Trump as president. For you, it's just that he's not Hillary, why did Dems think they could run her, etc... Got it.
dema, is correct...Goldmoon has in fact consistently stated from the beginning that he is not aligned with either political party, and the corruption that has infiltrated our entire political system needs to end...With him naturally being anti-Hillary, due to her being a clear representation of this political corruption. Any support of Trump, by Goldmoon, is predicated on him being an
agent of disruption, as a means of destruction for this current corrupt system, as opposed to a motivation derived from politically conservative principals.
Renz, you should take a cue from dema, who is respected for his balanced assessments and fair adjudications, rather than unethically threaten a long-term member with your flagrant misconceptions.