faetal on 29/2/2016 at 17:54
I'd say that's a given - not a revelation. I don't think anyone here seriously believes that Trump created his following. Understanding that doesn't mean he isn't a current issue though. Targeting the figurehead has its separate merit.
heywood on 29/2/2016 at 18:28
I live in Southern NH, in the Boston metro area, and Trump is very popular in this part of the country, so I know a lot of people who are pro-Trump. Some typical reasons people cite are:
He's a real person, not a career politician who just blows smoke up your arse
He's a tough guy who won't get walked over in foreign policy matters
His wealth makes him independent, not bought and paid for by the party and its big donors
He's a deal maker who might actually get something done in Washington
He'll protect American jobs
A lot of it is wishful thinking but perhaps there is a kernel of merit in the second and third items, maybe even the fourth.
I'm sad to say he has a shot at winning the general election. His anti-immigration position gives him crossover appeal with blue collar Democrats who are tired of losing manufacturing jobs. His xenophobic talk taps into a swell of anti-Muslim sentiment. And he has a history of being politically centrist, so he doesn't scare off voters in this part of the country like a true religious conservative would. The more religious conservative red states are a guaranteed Republican victory anyway, and he seems to have found a path to the Republican nomination without pandering to that voting block. Not to mention Hillary Clinton is probably going to be the weakest Democratic nominee since Walter Mondale.
I'm really upset that the Democratic party leadership decided that it was Hillary's turn and discouraged everyone else from getting into the race. Seems like the party establishment and their cohorts in the mainstream media are on her side as well vs. Sanders. Tomorrow is a big primary day (so-called super Tuesday) and I have a bad feeling that Trump and Clinton will be all but unbeatable after tomorrow night, which is too bad because there is no way in hell I'm going to vote for either of them.
I voted for Bernie Sanders in the New Hampshire primary, which is a new thing for me since I have traditionally been socially liberal but center-right on fiscal matters and a bit anti-authoritarian. Never been a big government guy, but right now I'm in a mood to support anyone who opposes the current power base. Also, the lower and middle classes have really taken it on the chin over the last decade and deserve a president who will really represent their interest (and I believe Bernie will more than the others). Not to mention I wanted some Democratic alternative to Hillary Clinton.
Strangely, some Trump supporters I know were also tempted by Bernie Sanders. They both have some crossover appeal due to their perceived independence and straight talk, but also some of the same negatives such as policy ideas they couldn't hope to implement without a different Congress. The Congressional races that nobody is talking about will probably have a bigger impact than the Presidential election anyway.
Anyway, getting back to the egomaniac Trump, he doesn't scare me anywhere near as much as the ideologue Ted Cruz. A lot of what comes out of The Donald's mouth is trolling the media to dominate the news cycle.
zoog on 29/2/2016 at 18:49
Looks like many of you are pro-muslims, pro-politcorrect, why? Do you really like that any colored/gay or any abnormal have more rights than you? like to be unter-mensch?
Muzman on 29/2/2016 at 18:52
Trump would almost be worth it for the show.
I don't know about him being a fascist strongman though. I have this feeling he'll be a mostly limp puppet of whatever Cheney Tsars manage to worm their way into his good graces and it'll be mainly steady-as-she-goes for the most part with little adventure.
Almost sounds like a good thing.
The stuff people think about him though! Wowsers. "He's a good businessman"- He's a thoroughly mediocre one, especially for real estate. His main achievement seems to be being an unreconstructed 80s style tycoon who isn't completely bankrupt or in jail.
"He'll be tough in foreign policy" - oh good grief. He's the blustery idiot of Putin's dreams. He's coming back from every deal with the magic beans every time. Without the shield of Wall Street culture to give him a leg up he's nothing.
He's kind of Nasty Reagan. He'll talk so that people will confirm him as god saviour and greatest forever, but didn't actually do a whole lot on close inspection.
With an ego of that size though it's also hard to see him not digging in and ruining something good and proper along the way at the same time.
Pyrian on 29/2/2016 at 19:49
Quote Posted by zoog
Looks like many of you are pro-muslims, pro-politcorrect, why?
I'm pro-religious freedom because millennia of people murdering each other over which untestable B.S. to mandate still seems to be a bad idea. I believe in political correctness, but as a choice, not as a government mandate; I think people should have the freedom to be as offensive as they like insofar as that does not conflict with the freedom to refrain from publishing them, call them out on their B.S., and/or shun them for it.
Quote Posted by zoog
like to be unter-mensch?
That's quite an inferiority complex you've got going, there. I feel pretty comfortable up here near the top of the social heap, thanks.
Medlar on 29/2/2016 at 20:03
Looks like we've drawn out a lurker, welcome zoog. Inter-Mensch? A little tough eh?
nobodyinparticular on 1/3/2016 at 00:17
What did Hitler say about the future of America?
“I don't see much future for the Americans ... it's a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities ... my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance ... everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it's half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?”
Wise words indeed.
ZylonBane on 1/3/2016 at 00:38
Quote Posted by faetal
It would be interesting from an anthropological viewpoint to hear from anyone who is pro-Trump.
Quote Posted by nobodyinparticular
If it stops Hildabeest getting into office then it's a GOOD THING.
And there we go.
nobodyinparticular on 1/3/2016 at 00:42
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
And there we go.
Haha, I knew that one was going to incur the wrath of the SJW's. You just got schlonged.