Starker on 4/9/2025 at 05:39
I was not aware that the US Navy had some kind of duty to patrol the world's waters and execute without a trial anyone who seems to be engaged in criminal activity.
Nicker on 4/9/2025 at 12:46
If Muricans do it, it's not criminal.
heywood on 4/9/2025 at 15:04
Quote Posted by mxleader
Most people call it collateral damage. It's unfortunate but it do happen. I'm not saying it's right; however, the US Navy's mission is to keep the shipping lanes open and free of pirates and criminals in general. The tactics might be a tad aggressive but they are effective.
Shooting down civilian aircraft in the process of drug interdiction is not acceptable collateral damage to me. Besides, nobody is complaining about the US Navy fighting off Houthi gun boats, drones, and missiles in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden. That's an essential mission of our Navy. Policing international waters for illicit trade is really not. Drug boats entering and leaving Venezuela shouldn't be our focus of concern unless/until they approach the US. It would have been more appropriate and informative to highlight the interception of a drug boat entering US waters, because that happens routinely. So I assume they sunk a boat off of Venezuela as a publicity stunt because Trump wants to fuck with Maduro. He must have learned how to act like a shit from Putin's examples.
demagogue on 5/9/2025 at 05:10
Quote Posted by mxleader
Most people call it collateral damage. It's unfortunate but it do happen. I'm not saying it's right; however, the US Navy's mission is to keep the shipping lanes open and free of pirates and criminals in general. The tactics might be a tad aggressive but they are effective.
No. The extrajudicial killing of US citizens with zero due process is not collateral damage. It's not a war. They're not attacking military units. It's a policy to explicitly attack civilians in civilian vessels. The entire framework of the laws of war and collateral damage is completely inappropriate. The term you're looking for is intentional extrajudicial killing. It'd be illegal even if they were drug dealers. But it's doubly worse when it's innocent people.
Edit: Just to emphasize how illegal this is, and that I'm not making this up, on March 12 Duterte was handed over to the ICC under an arrest warrant and will almost surely be convicted and spend jail time for his campaign of extrajudicial killings under his "war on drugs", if the trial is handled properly. The facts and law aren't really in dispute. (
https://www.icc-cpi.int/philippines/duterte)
heywood on 5/9/2025 at 11:56
It will be interesting to see the response from the NRA if this goes anywhere.
Nicker on 5/9/2025 at 12:25
The NRA is too busy saving the USA from a tyrannical government with their gunz, just like they promised.
Starker on 5/9/2025 at 13:38
OMG, they must be feeling so embarrassed and ashamed right now, especially after it came out their leadership spent a good portion of the organisation's money on lavish trips to the Bahamas and took helicopter rides as a taxi service.
Nicker on 6/9/2025 at 00:54
If the DOJ had done its job, why is there still a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist in the Oval Office?
