Starker on 28/7/2025 at 06:28

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Looks like Ghislaine Maxwell's chances of a pardon drastically went up, as Lord Dampnut sent his personal lawyer to negotiate with her and floated the idea of pardoning Maxwell as something that's well within his rights. Reminder Maxwell wasn't just aiding and abetting Epstein by procuring girls for him, she also facilitated the crimes and took part in the abuse.

Oh, and of course Lord Dampnut fired the prosecutor who prosecuted Maxwell and Epstein and has made a career of prosecuting sex offenders.

Oh, and Lord Dampnut's personal lawyer and Maxwell's lawyer are good friends, apparently. Small world indeed.

[video=youtube;krtIyn0Fvsg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krtIyn0Fvsg[/video]

heywood on 28/7/2025 at 14:27

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Tocky called it first. Trump campaigned on conspiracies for years, encouraging his supporters to believe there's a secret cabal of pedophiles running the world. Now the MAGA base is hungry for the red meat he promised, and Trump is trying to get Maxwell to give him some in exchange for a pardon.

I don't think they can prosecute anyone else at this point for various reasons: victims not coming forward, lack of evidence, statutes of limitations, and the age of consent was 16. If they could, they already would have. Maxwell won't have credibility with a jury for obvious reasons. So if they get anything from her, it will be something to smear on Democrats for the 2026 elections.

Maxwell was at the top of the sex trafficking operation all along. With Epstein dead, she is now the big fish, the worst of the criminals left. Let's watch all the swamp rate Republicans get behind freeing a child sex trafficker to score political points. Watch them prove it was never about the girls.

demagogue on 28/7/2025 at 20:17

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The thing to note here is that the victims, including Trump's alleged victims Katie & Maria have already gotten compensated under the Epstein estate Victims Compensation Fund. Or at least one we know did*, Maria P., under the name "Jane Doe XIII" because the dates perfectly line up (and remember she was the 11 year old at the start, far & away the youngest reported victim in that period), which is publicly viewable & appears to have ended in a settlement, but it'd be strange if Maria got compensated and Katie didn't since they were abused by Trump in the same session. (That said, they were also both abused by Epstein, and the Jane Doe XIII case targets Epstein. *Edit: More technically, the Jane Doe XIII claim was a parallel litigation under the shadow of the VCF, done because age is an aggravating factor, so she'd get a better settlement through litigation; that's why it targeted Epstein.)

The point is they don't have an incentive to come forward now because they've already gotten compensation, so it'd just be putting their lives at risk for no added benefit. Of course the VCF & Jane Doe XIII settlement are both confidential, so even though we already basically "know" Trump's victims were compensated for abuse that'd include Trump raping/abusing them, under the VCF at least, it can't officially be said yet. (The other reason we "know" is because people can contact Katie & Maria off the record, but the whole idea is to protect them from public exposure that threatens them, so that can't be official either.)

But the thing is that blood is in the water now, and I don't think influential parts of the public are going to let it go... And there's other channels of evidence, most importantly Tiffany G., the handler that signed the affidavit witnessing Trump rape Katie, the important part being that later she went on to be a witness for OTHER victims, including the VCF claimants, Virginia Giuffre's defamation suit, on Prince Andrew, etc. She's still out there & her credibility has only been growing over time for anyone actually following her.

What I mean is the evidence of the crime is still out there, and what's keeping it from breaking are political-social factors, not really evidentiary or pragmatic factors. If the conditions are there for it to break, I think it can still break hard. Personally I thought somebody releasing a public interview with Tiffany, where she goes over the work she's done for the other victims & the work she's done on self-healing, etc., would be really effective and influential if it hit at the right time. Then her affidavit against Trump fits as part of a pattern of her work for all the victims under her watch, not like some one-off targeting just of Trump for money or political reasons. But of course she's been threatened too, so that's a hard sell, but not impossible.

Starker on 29/7/2025 at 17:00

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I don't think anyone wants any details of the girls. People want their questions answered about the case and the perpetrators. They want details on the investigation -- how can there be over a 1000 victims as claimed by the government and basically no perpetrators other than the dead Epstein? They want to know about where Epstein's money came from. And they want details on Epstein's death investigation, considering all the suspicious circumstances around it -- how the government can be so sure it was a suicide, why is there 3 minutes of footage missing from released tape, how is it that both of the guards fell asleep at the same time and how can this be a normal practice in the "Guantanamo of New York" etc. And this is something the MAGA elites have been explicitly running on. They advertised and hyped up the release of the files, bragged about how it's going to be the most transparent administration in history, etc.

I think that most of all, being told that everything about this case was completely above board, that there was nothing to see here, and especially the messaging to shut up and stop talking about it took a lot of people completely by surprise, as it seemed to be a 180 out of nowhere. One day the files are on Bondi's desk, the next day they don't exist, the next day you can't trust the files as they were written by Obama, etc.

As for the victims' ages -- they did like to recruit them fairly young -- the youngest age I saw mentioned anywhere in official documents was 14 I believe, and reporting says they recruited as young as 13-year-olds, but I think I also saw it mentioned somewhere that they tended to dismiss the girls when they got "too old". Too old apparently being 18. And I don't know about how prosecutable any of this is, but, statutes of limitations and ages of consent notwithstanding, I would think this at least would warrant a special counsel, as there is definite public interest and looks like no administration can be trusted with it, especially as the people tied to this are likely being donors to both parties.

I think my biggest issue with the whole thing is that none of the corruption has come to light -- who in these Florida police departments was hushing things up, how exactly was the scheme cooked up that Epstein was allowed to go out of his prison 7 days a week, and so on. How is it that we know more about it from journalistic sources than from the investigation?

Cipheron on 30/7/2025 at 03:04

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Yeah they're messy bitches. But that's what happens in cases like this. When you have a populist who'll say anything to get power they attract other people to work for them them who want power, but you'd have to be an absolute idiot to believe any of it.

So the people they need to hire to exert power need to be "in on it". If you put a "true believer" in any position of power they become a major liability because they might actually act on the rhetoric in a way you can't control. That's why if you look into it there's a real lack of any "MAGA true believers" actually given any level of power.

That's something that severely limits how effective an administration like this can become. If they had a consistent belief system and set of principles they could hire people who also share those beliefs and principles and trust that those things will allow them to do their job well.

But because they're lying about everything they can't hire "true believers" because those people might actually act on their actual beliefs and not just pull the strings they want pulled. So what they're left with is only hiring people who believe in literally nothing, but will go along with the strongman because they want power or money.

Thus anyone close to Trump who actually believes anything about Epstein one way or another is actually a risk to Trump, since people who have legitimate beliefs aren't so malleable, whereas people who believe in nothing will be good little footsoldiers who say the opposite today of what they said yesterday if the leader says it.

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As for the specifics of an "Epstein Strategy": the conspiracy was valuable to them as long as it's amorphous. It's much less valuable to them "in writing" because as soon as you have anything actually concrete you can't manipulate it to be whatever you want, you're then constrained by something like facts.

To have a consistent strategy on something you have to have a consistently agreed-upon set of facts that the strategy is based on so that everyone knows how to respond. If the information you're agreeing on aligns with reality and truth that makes it much easier to work out what everyone should be doing and saying, i.e. to work out a consistent strategy.

An analogy here could be how there's exactly one model of the "Globe Earth" but dozens of inconsistent models of a "Flat Earth". Since Flat Earth is fake, it would require a massive effort to get everyone on the same page on that. Globe Earth is just a single model that holds together based on simple observations that mesh together. For example you don't need an "authority" to tell you how long the "Sidereal Day" is or to realize that it's to do with the position of the stars, you can work it out just by knowing how long a year is and how long a day is. When you've got a communication strategy based on a set of actual facts it's like that: the facts tell you what the right thing to say is, so you don't need to coordinate as much.

It would be possible to make a media strategy built on lies, but much, much harder, since it's comparable to multiple people being interviewed by the police and having to keep their stories straight. If you're trying to create a belief based on a lie then you would probably want to restrict the channels of information, i.e. enure there's only a single point of failure (Bondi) and everyone else is kept in the dark as much as possible, and Trump would not want to be pinned down on any details.