lowenz on 30/1/2025 at 19:52
Quote Posted by Qooper
DuatDweller made an excellent point. He wanted to remind us how precious it is to be able to have children. Your point seems to be not to have kids, because the world we live in is full of systems that exploit us. If you don't mind me asking, do you have family?
Excellent? Please stop being so childish (pun intended).
It's not a "power", it's just how nature uses you to replicate your DNA. And that's fair, I accept
my nature as an instance, a link in the human chain, but you want this kind of control in the hands of the state too, pretending to act like a "protector". That's too much, for me.
More children now, more future adults so more control over future children if this happens along the state projects.
demagogue on 30/1/2025 at 20:11
It's only been 10 days and one thing that already strikes me is the sheer rapidity of the FO in the FAFO equation.
7 days after he started office, the same day he pardoned the Jan. 6 rioters, one of them, Matthew Huttle, was shot and killed by a police officer for resisting arrest and struggling with the police office pulling him over while armed.
8 days after he started office on the explicit commitment to reduce the price of eggs, the Dept. of Agriculture releases a report that egg prices are expected to increase more than 20% this year.
8 days after Trump fires 100 FAA (air safety) officers, freezes air traffic control hiring, and guts the air safety system, a plane runs into a helicopter over the Potomac River due to a massive failure of air safety system.**
9 days after starting on the mandate to have a mass deportations, Trump already been beset by the completely-expected issues -- that were basically played out as political theatre for the stupid -- that there's no budget for that number of deportations and receiving countries can just turn planes back, leading to the plan announced yesterday to build a deportee detention camp to hold them in Guantanamo Bay, which was of course the original plan all along, to disappear these people in a concentration camp as I said even before his term started. That's about the only thing that detention in GTMO is even for & has been for the last 23 years.* Not to mention farmers already panicking due to mass labor shortages, and all the economic, social, & food prices uproar that'll cause.
*Quick point in constitutional law, the practical reason why you'd detain someone in GTMO is because constitutional rules don't apply there (as easily), specifically rules like you can't detail someone without due process, i.e., evidence of a justifiable cause to detain like committing a crime or mental illness, or more practically speaking, it's going to throw up a lot more barriers trying to bring legal action in a federal court for mistreatment or indefinite detention in a GTMO camp. Also there won't be the scrutiny on these camps like there was for the detainee camps along the border in the last admin. Lest we forget, there were serious violations already in those camps like overcrowding, no blankets or soap or hygiene products, lice infestations, lack of medical care, etc. You can only imagine what they want to do in GTMO camps that wouldn't stand scrutiny inside the US if the treatment in those past camps are setting the bar for what's acceptable inside the US.
**I'm going to copy in the timeline for my own reference.
➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years
RippedPhreak on 30/1/2025 at 20:34
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receiving countries can just turn planes back
Why don't their homelands want them back? You keep telling us how valuable and hard-working these folks are.
demagogue on 30/1/2025 at 20:38
Because they're trolling Trump.
Look, as I said before, if your neighbor reports you and they come knocking on your door, I'll protest that too. I assure you that there is enough fodder just here for anyone to say that you are just as "dangerous" as they are, since we're not looking at evidence anymore but unsubstantiated rage or fear reporting. I don't want to see you and people like you rounded up any more than them.
That's the lesson from every case in history where this started to happen.
You gotta draw the line on it right at the start.
Oh, you think you being a white guy, in the country "legally as a citizen", and "happy to see these other dangerous people kicked out of our country" is going to protect you and your friends and family? US citizens are already getting caught up. That's not going matter.
There are ways to address and reduce illegal immigration that don't involve mass indefinite detentions, no legal scrutiny, and gross mistreatment, and this ain't it.
RippedPhreak on 30/1/2025 at 20:41
OK, the reason their home countries don't want them back is because they are hard core murderers, rapists, drug runners etc. The folks back home breathed a huge sigh of relief to get rid of them. The fact that Colombia and other nations are willing to create international incidents to keep them out tells me that sending them back is absolutely the right call.
The only question is, why did Biden think it was fine for my family to have to live next to them?
Starker on 30/1/2025 at 21:02
What are you talking about? Brandon deported way more people than Lord Dampnut and even more than Obama.
Qooper on 30/1/2025 at 21:16
Quote Posted by lowenz
Excellent? Please stop being so childish (pun intended).
Yes, his point was a good and important one. I was specifically referring to his point about people being able to have kids. I don't understand how that's controversial in any way.
I admit your pun was funny :)
Quote:
It's not a "power", it's just how nature uses you to replicate your DNA. And that's fair, I accept
my nature as an instance, a link in the human chain, but you want this kind of control in the hands of the state too, pretending to act like a "protector". That's too much, for me.
Okay, you completely lost me. It's difficult to know what you mean when you're being so vague and general. Who do you mean by 'you' in this case? And what do you mean by 'this kind of control'? And pretending to act like a "protector"?
Duat didn't say anything along those lines. You injected all of that vague state control doom and gloom into the conversation as if it was somehow related to what was said.
Starker on 30/1/2025 at 21:33
As desperate for attention as ever, Lord Dampnut tries to claim that the US was sponsoring Hamas with condom bombs:
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https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250129-aid-experts-dismiss-trump-s-gaza-condoms-spending-claim)
"We identified and stopped $50 million being sent to Gaza to buy condoms for Hamas," Trump told reporters, referring to the militant group that has ruled the Palestinian territory for nearly two decades.
"And do you know what's happened to them? They've used them as a method of making bombs."
Trump offered no evidence to back his claim, which prompted both vehement rejections and ridicule from relief agencies and experts.
The United States sent no condoms to any part of the Middle East since 2019, according to a detailed report last year from the US Agency for International Development (USAID).
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CradleCity on 30/1/2025 at 21:33
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
OK, the reason their home countries don't want them back is because they are hard core murderers, rapists, drug runners etc. The folks back home breathed a huge sigh of relief to get rid of them. The fact that Colombia and other nations are willing to create international incidents to keep them out tells me that sending them back is absolutely the right call.
The only question is, why did Biden think it was fine for my family to have to live next to them?
Do you have any evidence that the 16 children deported are "hard core murderers, rapists, drug runners"?
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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/200-deported-colombians-included-pregnant-women-and-children-but-no-criminals/ar-AA1y4mTc)
Have you no sense of decency? Stop living in fear and paranoia, and stop accusing children, unless you have evidence.
Nicker on 31/1/2025 at 14:05
Condolences to the families of the victims of the mid-air collision in D.C..
As usual, Lawrence O'Donnell lays it all out best.
Trump is the first president to lay blame before offering sympathy. He blames the race and gender of anybody with potential culpability in the matter to hide his own potential responsibility, gutting the FAA days previously.
[video=youtube;DYUwK6uwxWM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYUwK6uwxWM[/video]
