Tocky on 28/1/2025 at 17:55
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As for Jan 6th I guess you're talking about Proud Boys as a white supremacist organization but the PB are pretty brown actually.
Brown shirts don't count. I will say a lot of Hispanics seem to want to deport their competition.
RippedPhreak on 28/1/2025 at 18:17
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There is usually a process that allows people to live in a country, work there, grants a path to citizenship, etc.
A "process" implies that we can sometimes say NO. And libs/leftists flip their shit when we say no to anyone. So you don't actually want any process, you just want everyone allowed in, period. I saw where you said your family owns multiple farms... it doesn't surprise me that a rich landowner who will never feel the consequences of his own policies does not care about the consequences to poor people.
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It is neither possible nor desirable to just ban everyone from coming to your country, especially if this causes economic harm and ruins people's lives.
You knock on my door and demand to enter my house. I say no and close the door. In your view this ruins your life? Oh well too bad.
Starker on 28/1/2025 at 18:54
LOL, rich landowner. You don't even have any idea what a farm even means in context of Estonia. My father worked his ass off to be able to purchase a small house in the countryside and some land to start a small business. Before that we had basically nothing. He needed to work abroad for several years as well as take out loans and get EU grants to be able to make this happen. So kindly shut your trap when talking about my family because you know nothing about what we have been through.
And you are talking about your imaginary strawman of whatever you imagine a "lib/leftist" to be. You have no idea what is even proposed in the context of US immigration reform.
As for ruining people's lives, you are talking about ripping families of US citizens apart and deporting people to a strange land they have never been to in their adult lives. Yeah, of course this ruins people's lives. You obviously have no idea what it is to be apart from your family and what it does to children and other family members to have their families ripped apart.
RippedPhreak on 28/1/2025 at 19:03
Under socialism there should be no one with more land than anyone else, regardless of "what you had to go through." You're still a landlord that has to give it all up. I suggest parceling out your land to a few hundred migrants.
Tocky on 28/1/2025 at 19:15
That is communism. Socialism is like social security.
RippedPhreak on 28/1/2025 at 19:20
No, my point is that Starker is very free with offering my land to migrants because America is up for grabs for anyone who wants it.
But when it comes to his own land, suddenly he earned it, worked for it, pulled himself up by his own bootstraps.
Starker on 28/1/2025 at 19:24
I'm a capitalist, so I don't have any compunctions about owning property, not that you even know what I own and what I don't.
Also, nobody is offering up land to the migrants. They would have to purchase it at a fair price like everybody else.
Qooper on 28/1/2025 at 19:46
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That is communism. Socialism is like social security.
I think RippedPhreak really was talking about socialism (state owns all property), which is the last step before communism. Then there's social democracy, which has capitalism and a government regulated market along with a welfare state. For example Finland is a social democracy, and we have almost free public healthcare and education.
Having said that, I think RippedPhreak is exaggerating or overreacting. The US is not in any danger of becoming a socialist country. Your Democrats are in many ways to the right of even our True Finn's party (our right).
lowenz on 29/1/2025 at 00:44
In a socialist *centralized* (~state) system you of course can own a land piece but you must let the state choose who can and how handle the productive part of that land.
THEN
1) in a communist system all the goods (or money from their sales) are redistributed following the "expected" needs
2) in a fascist system you can have a part of the goods (money) and the other is for the state, just like in a medioeval court economy
The problem is in the word "socialism" because it gets 2 completely different instances. In Marx view the word implies 1) and not 2) because the state control, just like the proletariat dictatorship, is a time-limited phase
bjack on 29/1/2025 at 02:23
It all comes down to human nature. Is human nature but a product of economic class? Oh, that didn't work as a tool. How about race? That is where we are now and the Americans say "F^ck That Sh1t". Just speaking in plain English. We in the middle are tired of using us as oxen. Fuck your elitist BS EU crap. We are taking over now. Ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Of course, I could be wrong... We'll see.
In the mean time, I wish good will to all you TTLG people. Even if I deplore your ideas, I still wish you happiness, joy, contentment, and peace.
