Nicker on 22/1/2025 at 18:27
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Which is exactly the point of my post, which clearly went over you're head.
Watch the video of Musk's ""heart gesture"". That's not a generous offering of love. That would be slower and with the palm up. Look at his face. It's twisted and frantic, not open and friendly.
Don't sprain yourself with those mental gymnastics.
Starker on 22/1/2025 at 21:23
I have to say, the excuse that he's just doing a "throw your heart" gesture in a way that nobody in history has ever done such a gesture, and that just coincidentally happens to look identical to and indistinguishable from the Nazi salute, has to be some of the funniest and most desperate mental gymnastics I've seen in a good while.
The only thing more desperate, and a good deal more disgusting, is some people blaming this on autism.
Subjective Effect on 22/1/2025 at 22:13
Can we blame it on being an immature troll?
Vae on 22/1/2025 at 22:37
Quote Posted by Jeshibu
So, say you've accidentally sieged heil very fanatically. Twice. In one of the most public settings ever. What do you do after?
There's no such thing as "accidentally Sieg Heil saluting" or "accidentally heart throwing" gestures, because there isn't any exclusive or default meaning to the biomechanical action of placing your hand on your chest and then extending it out with an open hand.
Each one of these communications require context and intention in order to give them meaning.
heywood on 22/1/2025 at 22:42
It was originally the Roman salute. Italian fascists adopted it, followed by Hitler. It became the fascist salute during WWII and its only purpose since then is to show allegiance to neo-Nazism. Everyone knows this.
US Presidential Inaugurations are tightly planned ceremonial events where surprises don't happen, and we know Trump is extremely sensitive to the public response and coverage of his inaugurations. So there is no chance that it was an unscripted moment. It was also obvious from his execution that Musk had practiced it.
It's consistent with everything Trump has said, all we have learned from people who were close to him, and his executive actions. The only surprise for me was seeing an actual, intentional Nazi salute from Elon Musk. I figured that guy was going mentally ill from the Thailand cave rescue, and then he admitted suffering from depression and he's on ketamine. I've ignored Twitter, so I only heard third hand reports about some of his posts over recent years, but my ears perked up when he recently started calling for a return to fascism in Europe. His salute is right in line with that.
It's no troll, he means it. And given what he has done so far in the first couple of days, it's obvious Trump means it too.
demagogue on 22/1/2025 at 22:43
It's reported that Elon averages about 68 X posts a day and has for years and years and years.
That's why I'd say don't look at this one fraction-of-a-second biomechanical action.
Look at the ~13,000+ posts he's made.
There's no ambiguity about what a person believes when there are 13,000 data points like that.
The people credibly worried about his rightwing kookism are talking about his years of posts, not just the gesture. The gesture just nicely packages all of it in a way that's easy to communicate the basic point of to the plebes.
Starker on 22/1/2025 at 22:53
I mean, Musk's support of the AfD in Germany and him throwing money at figures like Tommy Robinson alone show that he has certain sympathies that lean far to the right.
lowenz on 22/1/2025 at 22:54
Quote Posted by Vae
Each one of these communications require context and intention in order to give them meaning.
Context can be made up ad hoc to justify an obvious signal to some people. We're talking about *politics* so why are you playing the idiot part?
It's really too much obvious, stop humiliating yourself :| (Right people uphold values like "honor" so much.....why you keep destroying it? Are you a leftist? A libtard? You refuse to see the reality :p )
Pyrian on 23/1/2025 at 03:10
Quote Posted by heywood
It was originally the Roman salute. Italian fascists adopted it, followed by Hitler.
The "Roman Salute" was never a thing in the Roman Empire, but the Italian Fascists
said it was (and were literally in Rome), so whatever.
Jeshibu on 23/1/2025 at 08:15
Quote Posted by Vae
There's no such thing as "accidentally Sieg Heil saluting" or "accidentally heart throwing" gestures, because there isn't any exclusive or default meaning to the biomechanical action of placing your hand on your chest and then extending it out with an open hand.
Each one of these communications require context and intention in order to give them meaning.
Nobody looks at footage of people throwing a middle finger up or doing a bras d'honneur and thinks "Wow what did he mean by that? What was the true intent in his heart? I guess we'll never know. Curious. Concerning."
Same for a nazi salute, especially when he's been supporting nazis and white supremacists the world over.
