Vae on 22/1/2025 at 10:40
Quote Posted by Starker
here's a video where she's making that gesture and it's nothing like a Nazi salute. You just grabbed a freeze frame that makes it superficially look like it.
Which is exactly the point of my post, which clearly went over you're head.
Just like words,
context and intention are used to determine the various meanings of similar biomechanical gestures.
[video=youtube;b1N6fcUIHEY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1N6fcUIHEY[/video]
In this case, there is a
clear context (winning an important victory and feeling love and support from the people)
...and
intention of the gesture, (placing hand on chest, then extending it out to the people in the front, placing hand back on his chest, then extending it out to the people in the back, then placing it back on his chest and holding it there saying "my heart goes out to you".
In this context, using this body language and saying "my heart goes out to you" (verbal clarification of body gestures), means he is grabbing his heart and throwing his love and appreciation back to those who supported something that was very important to him,
as an expression of gratitude.
Those who think this is a "Sieg Heil Salute" are either not understanding the context and intention behind the body gestures, or they are unfairly projecting their prejudice upon a political opponent.
lowenz on 22/1/2025 at 10:54
Stop trolling Vae, that's obvious a nazi salute wrapped up in a made-up context NOT because Elon is a Nazi but because he wants manipulate them with their obsessions (appease, engage, use the word you prefer) AND trolling the Left.
It's crystal clear, stop climbing the mirror.
Sulphur on 22/1/2025 at 11:15
I think it's pretty hilarious seeing Vae try to construct an alternative fact for a sieg heil. Let's help him along with some more reasons. Musk's gesture really was:
a) an elaborate and crowd-pleasing way to redistribute suit lint his dry cleaner missed that day into his immediate surroundings
b) showcasing his progress on learning how to do the semaphore without flags, by dramatically spelling the letter B
c) just a Roman salute to show his appreciation of Italy during World War 2
d) a way to show people that his torso's pretty normal actually, and his chest fits into clothing just fine
Which option do you think is correct, dear TTLGizen?
heywood on 22/1/2025 at 11:53
There is no point in trying to hide it anymore Vae. Your leader isn't.
He even issued an executive order calling for neo-classical architecture. I missed that little Nazi signal yesterday.
CradleCity on 22/1/2025 at 14:25
Quote Posted by Vae
Which is exactly the point of my post, which clearly went over you're head.
In this case, there is a
clear context (winning an important victory and feeling love and support from the people)
...and
intention of the gesture, (placing hand on chest, then extending it out to the people in the front, placing hand back on his chest, then extending it out to the people in the back, then placing it back on his chest and holding it there saying "my heart goes out to you".
In this context, using this body language and saying "my heart goes out to you" (verbal clarification of body gestures), means he is grabbing his heart and throwing his love and appreciation back to those who supported something that was very important to him,
as an expression of gratitude.
Those who think this is a "Sieg Heil Salute" are either not understanding the context and intention behind the body gestures, or they are unfairly projecting their prejudice upon a political opponent.
You're not a semiotician, stop bullshitting.
Tony_Tarantula on 22/1/2025 at 15:42
Login for the first time in years and I see people extolling the virtues of America doing world policing.
What the fuck happened? Back in the day people, including myself, rightfully got the piss taken out of them for that
Now you all unironically endorse the Team America view of the world.
The "Rules Based Order" that Allen Dulles introduced had a huge dark side that consisted of US intelligence and defense resources being used to destroy any government that leaned slightly too socialist or refused to open themselves up for exploitation by US Corporate interests.
From overthrowing Iran's government, to the boondoggle in Vietnam, to training right wing death squads in South America, or funding Genocides in Africa, or helping Israel exterminate the Palestinians I think there's ample evidence that this "Rules Based Order" is a destabilizing force rather than a stabilizing one.
And it was because of this kind of retarded rhetoric that, being too young to know better, I got sucked into being a part of unjust wars myself.
We should know better. I am not a Trump voter but it's pure folly to defend the foreign policy establishment as noble peace keepers.
demagogue on 22/1/2025 at 16:19
I don't really put too much stock into one gesture.
To me it's clearly in the grey overlap of trolling and cathartic value signaling.
I mean it's the by now very familiar domain of Kekistan, and Elon is an edgelord, so of course it's Kek-trolling.
FFS he named his play agency reward for bankrolling Trump's campaign DOGE.
But the guy is a son of apartheid South Africa too and I don't doubt he wants to think these are his people.
But out of a whole hurricane, one raindrop isn't the thing to focus on, even if it is a rancid piss drop.
There were like several dozen Executive Orders issued in the first two days. (I'm seeing reports give different numbers. Well there were other things issued beyond EOs, and the situation is dynamic. There's more things coming each day.) But anyway many of them are legally suspect if not ultra vires on their face, and others are perverse to their core in achieving the exact opposite outcome to their ostensible motivation.
Those are obviously the things a lawyer is going to care a lot more about.
But if one did want to try to sum it up in a simple gesture or question, the thing I'd ask is a simple: does the person take Earl Turner's side in the Turner Diaries? Just get right down to it.
Starker on 22/1/2025 at 17:03
I don't think the question is whether Musk is a card-carrying member of a Nazi party or whether he buys specifically into some of the specific ideas of Nazis and nobody is saying that either. The issue is that he has promoted white supremacist talking points, made his platform a place where the far right can thrive, and has generally been seen friendly and sympathetic to the far right. I refer you back to the Elon Musk's "Hitler Problem" video from way back when:
[video=youtube;xDyPSKLy5E4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyPSKLy5E4[/video]
Jeshibu on 22/1/2025 at 18:15
Quote Posted by Vae
In this context, using this body language and saying "my heart goes out to you" (verbal clarification of body gestures), means he is grabbing his heart and throwing his love and appreciation back to those who supported something that was very important to him,
as an expression of gratitude.
Those who think this is a "Sieg Heil Salute" are either not understanding the context and intention behind the body gestures, or they are unfairly projecting their prejudice upon a political opponent.
So, say you've accidentally sieged heil very fanatically. Twice. In one of the most public settings ever. What do you do after? Give at least a small apology and clarify that that's not what it was and you would never do that?
Or do you view it as le epic based meme and then continue retweeting German neo-nazis?
