Nicker on 2/8/2024 at 15:53
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USA heads keep a consistent record of going after people they personally dislike and have a vendetta against or their political opponents.
And a more consistent record of convicting actual criminals. The legal system is far from perfect but it is not universally corrupt and incompetent. Random cases of prosecutorial excess are not an excuse for tRump to escape criminal responsibility.
That's would be perverse thinking. Right?
A jury found tRump guilty of rape. A Judge found him guilty of fraudulent business practices in service of an even greater crime. Another found him guilty of running a fraudulent "university" and forced him to close it and repay "students". Another found him guilty of running a fraudulent childrens' charity (stealing from dying kids). Are you OK with that?
tRump bragged about sexually assaulting women and girls. On air. The number of people he has ripped off is legion.
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Or is his skin color making you uncomfortable? This might be a subtle symptom of being racist.
I am just testing how consistent your own, sudden concern about racial-misrepresentation is. Harris has always claimed to be biracial, and that's apparently a problem for you. But tRump's attempts to deny his own whiteness is a sign of personal strength. The two values don't square.
Thor on 2/8/2024 at 20:05
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He's not a "foul bad guy", he's a pompous manchild totally not suited for sane politics (if you want them sane, maybe you prefer them not sane but in that case you must accept that a manchild can be easely manipulated by someone more cleaver and wicked, starting from his son in law).
For a manchild he's gotten quite far, don't you think? As for "sane politics"... do you think mass-importing your voters is sane? Or this whole nonsense about transgenders that everyone loves to distract themselves with? I think the vast majority is for giving people a choice (at least when of-age), but encouraging that, giving them weird rights like competing in opposite-gender sports, or encouraging the young and impressionable to trans... does that seem sane to you? Does communism seem sane? Or nearly forcing a 50:50 gender split for the comfy office jobs while men can still have all the dirty infrastructure jobs (and women can keep their jobs that they naturally prefer anyway). I dunno, all of it is not on my random access memory at this moment.
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It's how the system that makes americans "proud to be an american" works, that's not politics. In USA the law is an hammer when you come to that kind of things, there's no dem/con in that case. So why take that as an example?
You may say it's not politics - that's not what I was arguing though anyway (although I think politics is still involved). Nicker brought up the justice system, so I responded appropriately. Why selectively agree with the justice system when it aligns with your ideals? Maybe the justice system should investigate itself though and how come a non-menace-to-society techbro receives an *actual* life sentence just because some nameless FBI director felt embarrassed for being outwitted by him. The justice system isn't always bad, but it has a great track record of saying "fuck it all", when they're going after someone they really don't like. You think they wouldn't find anything on the Clintons if they actually tried? Or Bidens? Was everything in that infamous Hunter Biden laptop story totes legal?
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Since when do conservatives care about the over-sentencing of drug dealers? We have over 200k people serving life sentences, most third strike convictions for minor street crime. Why are your heroes all criminals?
It appears this casts shadow on your assumption/narrative that I'm a conservative.
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A jury found tRump guilty of rape. A Judge found him guilty of fraudulent business practices in service of an even greater crime. Another found him guilty of running a fraudulent "university" and forced him to close it and repay "students". Another found him guilty of running a fraudulent childrens' charity (stealing from dying kids). Are you OK with that?
tRump bragged about sexually assaulting women and girls. On air. The number of people he has ripped off is legion.
If the rump has genuinely done that kind of stuff, that's obviously not great. What I'm wary about is people lying, people spinning stories to make it sound far worse than it actually is/was (happens all the time now actually), and what evidence is there to these accounts beyond people claiming things? Taking some reason in hand, probably some of the stories are mostly true, but then how true? This is a rabbit hole that I haven't gone down in and haven't had time for, so if you know strong evidence (stronger than cnn, msnbc or whatsitsface spins on mediocre stories), I have ears. I think the appeal with the Donald isn't that he's not without sin, but rather that he's been brazen and rather genuine about the things he has said/done (because all of us have done some shit if we've lived at all, and we're not proud about some of it), but if this can be blown out properly with "unacceptable" sins, this could change the tide in a sense.
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I am just testing how consistent your own, sudden concern about racial-misrepresentation is. Harris has always claimed to be biracial, and that's apparently a problem for you. But tRump's attempts to deny his own whiteness is a sign of personal strength. The two values don't square.
From the interview I heard, Trump was replying to a racially themed question to begin with, and he remarked that Ms. Kamala basically played the Indian card some years earlier [I haven't had time to assess how true this is, but he spoke quite naturally about it, like it's genuine, so unless he is a master of that consistently, there is probably at least some truth to it], but now she's playing the Black card, implying that she's using the race card (bi-racial at that) to her career advantage, which also happens to be a rather expected democrat thing to do from what I can assess. Race and gender/sex seems to unequivocally matter more to lefties than it does to rightists (or moderates, which are considered right wingers these days anyway). I'm not even sure if there ever was a point where righties were the racists (and maybe I'm ignorant on some murican history), but sure doesn't appear to be now.
demagogue on 2/8/2024 at 20:16
He honestly didn't know that a Black Senator from California and Vice President of the United States of America was Black because he doesn't follow US politics and really has no idea who any of these people are. I think it's that simple.
lowenz on 2/8/2024 at 21:44
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For a manchild he's gotten quite far, don't you think? As for "sane politics"... do you think mass-importing your voters is sane? Or this whole nonsense about transgenders that everyone loves to distract themselves with? I think the vast majority is for giving people a choice (at least when of-age), but encouraging that, giving them weird rights like competing in opposite-gender sports, or encouraging the young and impressionable to trans... does that seem sane to you? Does communism seem sane? Or nearly forcing a 50:50 gender split for the comfy office jobs while men can still have all the dirty infrastructure jobs (and women can keep their jobs that they naturally prefer anyway). I dunno, all of it is not on my random access memory at this moment.
Manchilds get far 'cause of how the society works in a liberal (the real liberal, not the Right's "libtards" interpretation) regime. Today society doesn't reward adulthood but some perverse form of eternal youth "spirit" mixed with childish stupid ambitions. Trump's being the perfect example for this, by nature (he's of course a narcissist, he's in politics just to feel rewarded not in money but in consideration ans he knows the best way is to exploit the other narcissists fake patriotism, that's the fulcrum of his sick relation with his electorate).
Please don't lecture me with the classic "list" of "weapons of mass distrActions" people love so much to THINK having been created "against their interests" (because yes, i find communism sane in the measure it fights individualistic interests that put an individual against another
reducing the collaboration to a mere mutual dependence to reduce at minimum and not a dimension to embrace): the all "list" is not a product of an honest analysis but a collection of cherry picked and amplified/fine-tuned cases in perfect redpill style to build a form of "rational hate" against "leftism" (your word).
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Why selectively agree with the justice system when it aligns with your ideals?
Because it's the only way to accept it by the 99% of people. You know, Stockholm syndrome, and it's perfectly bipartisan.
lowenz on 2/8/2024 at 21:56
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It appears this casts shadow on your assumption/narrative that I'm a conservative.
You're a german (Angela Merkel -> woman leader with 2 or more mandates as you've said) redpill criptonazbol? :D
DuatDweller on 2/8/2024 at 22:36
I don't know if I want to even try to defend a successful businessman from being shredded to bits by the envious mob, he has MONEY!!!! Crucify him.
Sorry I gotta change my fanatic banner for every president thread.
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Nicker on 2/8/2024 at 23:43
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I don't know if I want to even try to defend a successful businessman...
Thank god you won't need to spend a moment defending serial fraud and failure DJT. What are you going to do with all that spare time? Maybe invest in some Truth Social stock. I hear it's hot.
heywood on 3/8/2024 at 00:47
DuatDweller - I think today is the day you finally dropped the act and revealed yourself as a troll. I have no time for disingenuous people.
lowenz on 3/8/2024 at 11:58
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giving them weird rights like competing in opposite-gender sports,
I'm really REALLY sorry for you, but - as you of course know but you must play the part - it's a russian (tactical) hoax.
And now we have an awesome
100.000$ gift to an italian athlete to prove how Russia works making you (and the world) believe its "satanic" and "antinatural" bullshit about the "Corrupted West" who lets "competing in opposite-gender sports"
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https://www.gazzetta.it/olimpiadi/discipline/pugilato/03-08-2024/carini-khelif-l-iba-offre-un-premio-alla-pugile-azzurra.shtml?refresh_ce) (please translate in your tongue)
They're too much confident, it's really stupid to come out as this......the far right italians are politically ignorant enough but when they see "100.000$" even they can start thinking straight......"
MAYBE we got duped".
Oh well, welcome to the real world and not the one of satanic conspiracies against nature orchestrated by libtard overlords.
When you'll admit this instead of spreading their bullshit? I mean, 100.000$ gift to a perfectly unknown female boxer. Just to retire on the ring against the "trans champion!!111" (she's not a trans, maybe an XY Morris and in that case surely not sensible to testosterone)
