Thor on 26/7/2024 at 20:27

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Ah, you said it better than I did with my overproduced wall.

As for driver, well, wikipedia (in its full covert leftist glory) uses certain phrases like "there is little evidence to support the theory that support [logic]" or "there is little evidence to support the theory that [..]" and other ways to parrot the "causation =/= correlation" when there's an awful lot of coincidental correlation, which serves to dilute and diminish its own points it almost forcefully made. And yse, I saw that the offspring commit more crimes than the OGs. This is probably due to various reasons, but if you've ever traveled to a community that is foreign to you (not necessarily race but culturally or even that you don't know the people), the best strategy is usually one where you put your best foot forward and integrate well. Their offspring don't necessarily have this same motivation because they were already given a life in this place, so they start looking for problems and thinking "hey why are these people who've lived here thousands of years have more stuff than we do [despite us arriving yesterday]?" or similar thought patterns. That's one possibility. Or it could just be that everyone but you guys are conveniently racist and they see a brown person and feel their innate urge to arrest them.

Nicker, you're repeatedly mentioning my "fallacious arguments" and strawmanning everybody. My initial post was a bit of bait, sure. There I was mostly just being disgruntled that someone implicitly shittalked my boy Stefan, who's done a lot of good (or much more good than harm, if you will; we all do some harm, or at least everyone right of far left).

So that said, sorry for diverting the thread a little, keep discussing the Orange Man. Nobody dodges bullets better than him!

lowenz on 26/7/2024 at 20:33

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Again, the problem is all your american bias (and some stupid people here in Europe just parroting the GOP propaganda believe that telling these same stories every day can create an alternative true reality)

Here in Italy all the jews *physical* aggressions - not the protests, protests are from not-so-brown palestinians - are from local Hitler and Mussolini admirers and just guess in which parties these guys dress theirselves up like perfect normal guys? No, not the "far right", it would be too simple to point them......but in the italian "Trump" movement, the Lega.

And sometimes the ones providing the money and the support and the strategy for these hate campaigns againt the satanic jews are the ones talking every day about "fighting the new nazism in Ukraine"......you know, the original pogroms creators :) (the same ones that did put jews in Ukraine because it would have been a sacrilege to have jews on holy Russia soil in the tzar times)

But you can keep telling (to yourself in primis) your stories about "immigrants" because you americans don't have a real history to analyze like sadly we have in Europe. So keep make up the reality.

lowenz on 26/7/2024 at 21:02

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Maybe you're in good faith (ahah) and don't understand.

For our far right (the real "far right") the jews ARE the immigrants injectors and it's why they attack jews to stop immigrants.
That's their political thesis.

But you're american, so you have your pseudo-interpretation that of course collides with our everyday reality in Europe (white nationalists hating jews like Soros because they think jews use immigrants to actively destroy Europe as a "Satan plan" )

heywood on 27/7/2024 at 23:36

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That might be the craziest and scariest shit Trump has ever said. If you take it literally, it means the end of the USA. What makes it scary is that in 2016, I sorta believed he was talking bullshit during the campaign. Once he was President, I was surprised to find out that he's serious and believes & intends all the shit he says. So if you take him at his word this time, and I don't see any reason not to, the consequences of this election are as serious as its ever been. It's the end of the Constitution and the USA as we have known it for the last 250 years.

demagogue on 28/7/2024 at 00:47

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I've been trying to deconstruct this one... As usual there are magat crying tds & trying to say this was taken out of context, but then I was wondering in what possible context this could be okay.

Here's the quote in context: "Again, Christians get out and vote. Just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed, it'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians."

BTW, little aside, he also said he wasn't Christian I think also in this talk (but anyway in a recent one), and that's evident even in this quote because who would call Christians in the third person like this unless one didn't include oneself in the group, but that's a side point anyway. I think anybody that has any idea about him already knows he despises the weak and Christians are going to be textbook weak in his worldview. Why Christians back him is unreal. He's not even pro choice. He's pro-"here's $400 [he throws it on the floor]. Get a fucking abortion" to the 13 year old that he just raped according to the witness in the room, Tiffany G., whose trustworthiness has been vindicated on behalf of I don't know how many dozens of girls in the Epstein estate cases.

But back to the quote at hand. In my reading, what he means is all problems that Christians could possibly care about will be solved, so there's no need for them to vote again, since there will be no more problems left to solve. It's actually a point he's made many times that's been a common trope he's long used; in the vein of his instinctive "I'll make the greatest X in the history of Xing". I think his mind hasn't even gotten to the part where future elections come into his mind because he only thinks in ~2 week blocs of sheer survival. But it's still definitely a dictator's mindset, because when he gets into power, he wants to just order X and not have anything get in the way whenever they come up and it finally occurs to him for the first time ever at that moment ... courts, congress, his term limit, etc., are in the way and wouldn't it be nice if those things didn't exist because he never thought about them before, why would anybody else?

So at the end of the day, I think it does mean he's egging to act like a dictator, but I don't think he actually thought about it in terms of his term limit or ending elections because that's lightyears away from what his mind is capable of connecting dots from the present moment. But if he does win, as he gets closer to the limit, I think at some point it will occur to him he shouldn't have that get in the way either. But even if he hasn't thought about it yet, I think it's right to recognize that he will think about it when the time comes.