lowenz on 31/5/2024 at 08:55
So the US is happy to give Putin the narrative "US is a criminal headed state".
Thanks US citizens!
Starker on 31/5/2024 at 11:21
Let me get it straight -- the supporters of Lord Dampnut, who think that the only reason he lost last time was because the vote was rigged when he was the president, now suddenly believe that the system is trustworthy enough to vote when Brandon is in control? What, are they going to vote harder this time in hopes the vote somehow becomes unrigged?
Nicker on 31/5/2024 at 12:39
A short review of adjudicated crimes and misdemeanours which tRump has committed:
Raping E. Jean Carroll (no consequences)
Defaming E. jean Carroll x2 (nearly $100 million in damages)
Persistent financial fraud (for which Allan Weisselberg served jail time)
The same crimes he was just convicted of but which only Michael Cohen served time for.
Stealing donations from a charity for sick and dying children. ($25 million? in damages and banned from running charities)
Operating a fraudulent "university" ($25 million? in damages and banned from running a university)
Staging a coup against the USA ( for which many foot soldiers are serving time)
I probably missed a few. And this list does not include impending indictments and criminal investigations, nor civil actions. Neither does it include self-confessed crimes like sexual assault (Access Hollywood tapes, etc.), sex crimes against minors (Miss Teen America pageants) and random perjuries.
Starker on 31/5/2024 at 13:27
He was also impeached for abuse of power and sedition.
heywood on 31/5/2024 at 14:03
Starker, I think what Vae means is that Trump supporters are ready to give up pretending they're concerned about electoral integrity and embrace actual vote rigging like Trump was asking Brad Raffensperger to do in Georgia, because voter suppression, gerrymandering, Russian psyops, AI fakes, alternate electors, and bringing lawsuits to friendly judges might not be enough to put him back in office. For the last 5 years, Trump has been telling his people that elections are fraudulent and the other side is cheating. Even though all his challenges failed in court and all his election claims were debunked, he stuck to that message and his foolish supporters believe it. He's also been telling them that the courts are fraudulent for almost as long, so his supporters don't see them as arbiters of election fairness. He's been systematically using rhetoric to undermine all of the institutions that protect American democracy, starting with the press in the first week of his Presidency, and then federal law enforcement, election administrators and workers, and the courts. All of this rhetoric is to prepare them to support winning at all costs using whatever means necessary. If that doesn't work, expect to see him try to gather support for taking it by force for real this time.
The rest of us see a lying dirty crook, but he's brainwashed his cult of personality into thinking he's the only good man and everybody is conspiring against him.
R Soul on 31/5/2024 at 16:23
It might be worth asking Trump supporters to explain how, if he was such a good president, so cunning and astute, did he and his team not notice the system becoming so rigged/corrupt that cost him the next election? And how did they not notice the courts becoming to corrupt as to lead to these verdicts? Or was the Biden team so good that they did the election thing during the campaign only, and rigged the courts during his term only?
You could also create a chink in the armour by asking them "Is it possible that a person could inherit a lot of money/businesses, and become so arrogant that he breaks many laws (of both legality and decency) in order to increase his wealth, or for other acts of self gratification?". It could be followed up with "if someone had acted like that with his business affairs and personal life, how confident are you that upon becoming president he'd change his ways and act with integrity, honesty and competence?".
Another question to pose to his supporters: "Is it possible that a man (and his team) could learn about what sort of things you want, and what sort of fears you have, then proceed to promise to deliver everything you want, while having no serious interest or ability to fullfil those promises?"
heywood on 31/5/2024 at 18:13
Few people remember what the Trump administration was like. The time before the pandemic seems like a long time ago, and people have a rosy nostalgic view of it now. People don't seem to remember what an inconsistent, ineffectual leader he was, how he couldn't keep good people in his cabinet, how dysfunctional the executive branch became, how he alienated allies, how his immigration policies were constantly tied up in the courts, his expensive and ineffectual wall that he didn't finish and had to divert defense funds for instead of getting Mexico to pay for it as promised, the government shutdown, the big tax cut for corporations and wealthy people that did nothing for the middle class, and how he promised to drain the swamp but made it worse. They don't remember how eager most of the country was to get rid of Trump even before the election fallout. They just remember the economy was booming, which he inherited from Obama and kept it going until the pandemic struck. That's what I think anyway.
demagogue on 1/6/2024 at 00:08
Easiest fundraising method ever: commit felony fraud.
Surprised no one thought of it sooner.
Vae on 1/6/2024 at 00:42
(
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-was-convicted-but-prosecutors-contorted-the-law.html) Prosecutors Got Trump, But They Contorted The Law
CNN Senior Legal Analyst, Elie Honig, Describes How The Trump Conviction Was A Political Hit Job:
1. "The judge donated money... in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations—to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation."
2. Alvin Bragg boasted on the campaign trail in an overwhelmingly Democrat county, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.”
3. "Most importantly, the DA’s charges against Trump push the outer boundaries of the law and due process."
4. "The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever."
5. The DA inflated misdemeanors past the statute of limitations and "electroshocked them back to life" by alleging the falsification of business records was committed 'with intent to commit another crime.'
6. "Inexcusably, the DA refused to specify what those unlawful means actually were — and the judge declined to force them to pony up — until right before closing arguments. So much for the constitutional obligation to provide notice to the defendant of the accusations against him in advance of trial."
7. "In these key respects, the charges against Trump aren’t just unusual. They’re bespoke, seemingly crafted individually for the former president and nobody else."
8. "The Manhattan DA’s employees reportedly have called this the “Zombie Case” because of various legal infirmities, including its bizarre charging mechanism. But it’s better characterized as the Frankenstein Case, cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more-or-less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn on its creator."
