Cipheron on 28/5/2024 at 00:48
Quote Posted by Nicker
Strawman harder, Bucko.
If Hillary had been president, the policies and protocols, carefully crafted by MEDICAL PRODFESSIONALS, under Obama, would have been enacted and the one million plus who died would have been a fraction of that. Instead we got tRump telling people to inject bleach and shove sunlamps where the sun don't shine.
You Orange Hero disrupted Fauci and the actual experts at every step.
You know the funny one?
They've been claiming there would be another pandemic this year because there's an election. Apparently this one will help Biden, because he's the incumbent. But ... why did Trump not benefit from being the incumbent then? does the incumbent benefit from a pandemic or are they harmed by a pandemic? they can't keep their story straight.
By saying that Biden would have *benefited* from there being a pandemic in 2024 they're tacitly admitting that Biden could have a detailed and coordinated response that boosts his re-election chances. What does that say about how Trump handled it, however?
So no, there BEING a pandemic didn't hurt Trump, any more than there being a pandemic this year would help Biden, according to the same people. What hurts or helps the candidate is what they say about it and what they do about it.
heywood on 28/5/2024 at 16:15
Quote Posted by demagogue
What strikes me about libertarians is that they often speak as if the slightest restriction on their personal space is the same as a Stalinesque totalitarian hellscape, no matter the justification, which might be reasonable to most people, it's not restricting any fundamental right, and we're in a democracy after all.
I also oppose Stalinesque totalitarian hellscapes as much as the next guy, but some problems can't be solved without some kind of social coordination or regulation, and it's no good pretending a problem doesn't exist or will just go away on its own if people close their eyes and trust everything will be okay because "we're the greatest country in the history of history" or whatever... as if the earth's climate or a pandemic care.
But it is bizarre for Trump to be a posterchild for libertarianism for some people, although I still think the Christian right supporting him is even more bizarre... thinking the anti-abortion candidate is the one that I'm about ready to bet has paid for more abortions than every other US president combined.
Trump stacked the courts with social conservatives, many of whom are activists. I think that's the reason why most of the Christian right is supporting him. But there's also some nutters out there who think he's some kind of messianic figure anointed by God.
Quote Posted by SD
That sounds pretty much like the actual meaning of libertarian, which I suspect has been contaminated over the years by Libertarians.
Most libertarians I mention that to agree with it as a goal, but don't agree to pursuit it because it requires government to actively balance the interests of different groups, provide opportunities, and prevent individuals from exploiting others.
Quote Posted by Cipheron
You know the funny one?
They've been claiming there would be another pandemic this year because there's an election. Apparently this one will help Biden, because he's the incumbent. But ... why did Trump not benefit from being the incumbent then? does the incumbent benefit from a pandemic or are they harmed by a pandemic? they can't keep their story straight.
By saying that Biden would have *benefited* from there being a pandemic in 2024 they're tacitly admitting that Biden could have a detailed and coordinated response that boosts his re-election chances. What does that say about how Trump handled it, however?
So no, there BEING a pandemic didn't hurt Trump, any more than there being a pandemic this year would help Biden, according to the same people. What hurts or helps the candidate is what they say about it and what they do about it.
The Biden administration will use the pandemic to lock everyone up at home, so it will be a mail-in voting free-for-all with no eligibility and identity checks, and there will be massive election fraud that will keep Biden in office. I think that's the theory.
Harvester on 28/5/2024 at 16:43
On the subject of the Christian right, some of them have shifted from "Trump is a virtuous person" to "we admit Trump himself is not virtuous and not a Godly man, but he gets done what we want and is being used as a tool in God's hands". Comparisons are made with Biblical kings like Nebuchadnessar and Cyrus, Babylonian kings who did not know/follow God directly but were being used in His plan according to the Bible.
DuatDweller on 28/5/2024 at 16:48
Was not the same claim Nazi and allies used in war?
"God is with us!"
Now unless God have serious problems with multiple identities crisis he can be only on one side, but which one you'll ask, and that (what a bummer ah) only God knows.
Cipheron on 28/5/2024 at 17:32
Why even jump to a Nazis reference for that? That's been a factor of every single war since the dawn of history.
DuatDweller on 28/5/2024 at 20:12
True, but its the most known.
For example the crusades, each side had God on their sides, and no matter what their holy books said about it, they killed people like there was no tomorrow.
I hate violence, (sounds violent I know) but I've never beaten someone for the sake of it, or any reason at all. And no I haven't run away from fights, I have been there putting myself in front of whoever threatened me and nobody ever hit me, ever, even people who was bigger than me (and I'm fairly tall).
My dad instead was extremely homophobic and beat people in a show of manliness and if you ask me was also extremely insecure (I believe it was because he was molested by a priest at catholic school).
I haven't reacted badly even when male student companions declared their feelings toward me.
I know with whom I've slept and don't need to prove anything to anyone.
So I've not made fun of them nor belittle them, it was like nothing ever happened.
I haven't beaten a woman, for any reason at all.
:nono:
And maybe I'm crazier than you can understand...
Cipheron on 29/5/2024 at 03:06
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https://gizmodo.com/donald-trump-says-stop-electric-car-sales-1851503550)
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Donald Trump Says He'll Stop All Electric Car Sales
"You won't be able to sell those cars," says the legally embroiled former president
Former United States President Donald J. Trump, currently facing 34 felony counts in criminal court, is campaigning for re-election this fall by taking shots at the increasingly popular electric car industry. Trump has already called for oil and gas industry executives to donate significant campaign funds in exchange for a reversal of Biden administration climate policies. If elected this November, Trump would roll back tailpipe emissions targets and dramatically slash EV tax credits. These policies may prove unpopular even among Republican voters, as electric vehicle production has spurred job growth and investment in southern states.
Trump courting oil money by promising to abolish the entire electric car industry, and roll back standards.
Such a short-sighted move will cripple American competitiveness because someone else will advance the technology while the old / obsolete stuff will be subsidized in the USA, so the oil and car companies can squeeze the last few bucks out of crumbling US manufacturing and infrastructure.
Trump is promising this purely for his own personal self-interest. He'd sell the whole country down the river if he can avoid legal problems.
Nicker on 29/5/2024 at 04:33
I was so pissed at Justin Trudeau's lack of insight, when Trump pulled the plug on the USA's green energy research initiatives. Trudeau ploughed over $5 billion into an archaic bitumen pipeline, to try and buy votes in Alberta (where the Trudeau name will forever be despised) instead of using a fraction of that money to scoop up every last American researcher and their research, at fire-sale prices.
Canada could have been a decade ahead of the rest of the world with green energy by now, even if only 20% of the material panned out.
Unlike our own cross-breed of anti-vax MAGAts, I despise Justine for justifiable reasons.
DuatDweller on 29/5/2024 at 10:40
Back to the track.
I suppose Libertarian Milei, should be way better than giving away money to people (this time for really doing nothing at all, just have children) which causes inflation.
In Argentina everything was subsided (partially paid by the government) oil, propane, transport and so on, to the point that was unmanageable to keep going, this draining was worsened by Cristina Fernandez stealing and enriching her own wealth (who knows how much more stole Nestor Kirchner).
The same approach was tried by Piñera in the middle of the Covid lock-down, businesses closing (some forever), and some thriving, so he thought of giving away money too, great idea you think? Well not in the long term, inflation got to over 4%.
Now you can see why Argentina cannot give anymore money for doing nothing, it only increases inflation.
Milei is doing the hardest thing to do, the right thing, cut down government parasitism and leeches bleeding off the state.
RippedPhreak on 29/5/2024 at 17:14
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Such a short-sighted move will cripple American competitiveness because someone else will advance the technology
"Green" technology is simply not there yet. Dumb lib politicians are trying to kill oil and gas prematurely before a working replacement technology is ready, just to please the Greta Thunberg types.
If someone else develops the technology, more power to them. Until then, we need to use what works.
