DuatDweller on 23/5/2024 at 07:36
And before someone says White supremacist nazi to me, know this:
As a teen I was in daydreaming with Lisa Bonet, I listened to Prince music mostly all the time, some Michael Jackson music too, and some of my favorite actors are Tony Todd, and Denzel Washington (and Samuel L Jackson Mothatf...).
:erm:
Starker on 23/5/2024 at 08:06
The Nazis did not restore any economy or industry outside of the military and they did it by going massively into debt, which they hoped to repay by plundering other countries. The large public works programs that they continued were started under the Weimar Republic. Furthermore, they encouraged the creation of cartels and monopolies, and severely limited workers rights, including introducing things such as the consent of the previous employer being required for someone to change jobs, reducing ordinary workers to little more than serfs. Also, they excluded significant parts of the population (who they robbed and whose wealth they redistributed) from the statistics.
There is a persistent myth of fascist efficiency where people either ignore all the corruption or simply take fascist propaganda at face value.
lowenz on 23/5/2024 at 10:55
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Then you agree with me that all the foamed-mouth rage against him is pointless and silly?
It's againt a system that allows men like Trump to represent something and someone other than theirselves.
Representative democracy is already dangerous, put a narcissist in the game and you'll get hell.
Vae on 25/5/2024 at 11:45
Quote Posted by lowenz
Representative democracy is already dangerous
You are a threat to the advancement of civilization. Representative Democracy is the only thing keeping tyrants from controlling the world.
Nicker on 25/5/2024 at 15:42
When I opened the boards today, I saw that fan favourite, Vae was likely tag-teaming with crypto-trumpist rising star, Ripped Phreak, I asked myself, "Do you want fight strawmen today or get on with your life?"
Then I saw this video and chose to re-join the fray.
[video=youtube;v6yE0lhTs-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6yE0lhTs-c[/video]
I have never met a libertarian who wasn't an authoritarian in drag, so when the rank and file libertarians (least among equals?), defy their leadership ( wait... what? I thought... ) and get a standing ovation for an informal motion to "Fuck Trump", it has to be a good day somewhere.
Right?
I mean... correct.
Correct?
lowenz on 26/5/2024 at 08:13
Quote Posted by Vae
You are a threat to the advancement of civilization. Representative Democracy is the only thing keeping tyrants from controlling the world.
No, it's the today "civilization" that's the threat for every kind of progress because tyrants have realized - and I mean in the practical way, not in theory - democracy can be the perfect tool for their ambitions. Just read Plato (and no, my solution to this problem is NOT the Plato fascio-idealistic one) and how democracy descend into a demagogic hell (the populism).
Plato analysis of the democratic dynamics is still correct today, the only problem is, being a "conservative", Plato chooses the "illuminated dictator" (illuminated by his doctrine) instead of the "populist tyrant".....the latter is just SO real today (and Trump being the perfect example of that)
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I have never met a libertarian who wasn't an authoritarian in drag
Exactly.
DuatDweller on 26/5/2024 at 12:33
Wasn't Hitler and Maduro voted in to power, and them bang, surprise, dictatorship.
You know one thing I can never discern is politics, they're way to messed up.
That or they (politics) give me gasses.
heywood on 26/5/2024 at 14:40
When I was at university and in my 20s, I had some friends who were idealistic, principled libertarians. All but one grew out of it, and he's pretty far out there. I lost touch with him 10 or 15 years ago, but last I heard he was living on a pacific atoll and kept stashes of guns and supplies with friends on different continents.
I've met many more "libertarians" who are just selfish people who don't want to pay any taxes for the government to fund anyone or anything for the common good, and don't want the government regulating anything that affects them personally like gun laws, zoning restrictions, building codes, environmental laws, workplace safety and labor laws. Yet they still expect to live in a clean, modern, orderly society. They can't see the inherent conflict between their political views and the kind of society they want to live in. The best places to live in the world have good government and the shittiest places to live have the weakest governments.
Trump is no kind of libertarian, which is probably why the Libertarian party's two strongest election performances were in 2016 and 2020.
If I could, I would redefine libertarian to mean pursuing maximum overall liberty, the most liberty for the greatest number of people. Not freedom from governance, which produces maximum liberty for only a privileged few.
Nicker on 26/5/2024 at 15:28
Everything Heywood just said, and...
For a healthy representative democracy to work it needs an engaged and EDUCATED population (woke people).
This is why authoritarians "love the undereducated" and teach them to distrust academics and experts. Tyrants need experts but they don't want free-range academics giving the children of the undereducated crazy ideas, like personal freedom.
lowenz on 26/5/2024 at 16:42
Quote Posted by heywood
I've met many more "libertarians" who are just selfish people
That's the problem, they think selfdom is the same of mindless selfishness. And so they evolve to embrace a "tailored around personal property" Pinochet-like authoritarism.
For this kind of people libertarian principles are just a good ideology to push politically because "freedom!!!1111" but they're rotten to the core (see Milei in Argentina)
