RippedPhreak on 5/3/2024 at 00:15
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
So, the time to disqualify Trump was when he was impeached after January 6th 2021. During that trial, Trump was ultimately acquitted by a vote of 57-43. Thus, not disqualified. The Dems also fucked up by not allowing the Chief Justice to preside over the trial as judge, which might have opened the door to further challenges.
So, the issue was taken to Congress already, and was decided. All else is just clickbait to get you all outraged.
Jason Moyer on 5/3/2024 at 06:58
Allowing states to remove presidential candidates for crimes they haven't been convicted of would have set a really bad precedent. If the SC had ruled the other way, you know damn well a pile of states would have tried to get Biden removed from the ballot too.
lowenz on 5/3/2024 at 09:27
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All else is just clickbait to get you all outraged.
For what? It is clear that the system is NOT "conspirating" against Trump (a NOT viceversa), so every word from his mouth about that is just a prove he's acting to play smoke and mirrors
together with his electors.
heywood on 5/3/2024 at 10:31
RippedPhreak - Impeachment has nothing to do with this. Impeachment is the process to remove someone already in office. A candidate for office cannot be impeached.
Jason - That's what SCOTUS should have decided, and that was the reasoning of 4 of the justices. But the majority of the justices (5) ruled that the Congress has to enact legislation to disqualify a candidate. That's a made up rule that didn't come from the Constitution. The Constitution strongly implies the opposite, that disqualification is automatic and it takes a 2/3 vote of Congress to override it.
Anarchic Fox on 5/3/2024 at 11:09
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
All else is just clickbait to get you all outraged.
Cool, but our lack of outrage is what gets
you outraged. Net win for the TTLG Dems. :cool:
RippedPhreak on 5/3/2024 at 12:33
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Impeachment has nothing to do with this. Impeachment is the process to remove someone already in office.
Read it again.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.So clearly if he had been impeached
and then convicted by the Senate, he would have not only been removed from office, he would have been disqualified from holding future office. So Congress had its chance to DQ him and didn't. The Rachel Maddow/Jon Stewart/Keith Olbermann types are simply lying to you.
Tocky on 7/3/2024 at 15:51
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Read it again.
So clearly if he had been impeached
and then convicted by the Senate, he would have not only been removed from office, he would have been disqualified from holding future office. So Congress had its chance to DQ him and didn't. The Rachel Maddow/Jon Stewart/Keith Olbermann types are simply lying to you.
This is true as far as impeachment for insurrection. A partisan congress would never impeach him. But it still does not hold true for the crime of insurrection. That has yet to be decided in court. It's why that trial should have been settled first before some states barred him from the ballot. If he is convicted then the supreme court will have to choose whether to uphold the 14th amendment or break the constitution for a man they are beholden to for many of their jobs.
RippedPhreak on 7/3/2024 at 19:16
Or they might rule that the question was already put before Congress in January 2021 (as per the Consitution), and was decided then: Not Guilty.
But in any case, Congress could simply vote TODAY to disqualify Trump from running. That they aren't doing it tells me they don't have the votes.
And to say the SC members are "beholden to" Trump for their jobs is absurd. It's not like they need to suck up to him to get a glowing quarterly review. SC is a lifetime position, so whether Trump gets re-elected, dies in prison, or drops dead tomorrow the justices still have their jobs.
lowenz on 7/3/2024 at 20:02
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SC is a lifetime position, so whether Trump gets re-elected, dies in prison, or drops dead tomorrow the justices still have their jobs.
So the system is NOT hijacked by some "big powers", so why all that "high school politics" rhethorics made by stupid conspirancies about the impending doom of US system? Oh wait, because that's the level of the average elector.....silly democracy preying on incompetence.
RippedPhreak on 7/3/2024 at 21:30
Many say that Congress is hijacked by big powers (donors with a lot of money who basically purchase politicians and can dictate laws) and I agree. The rumor is that giant corporations often write the bills in the first place, and Congress passes them into law without even reading them. This is not too hard to believe.
Yes, there is a lot of fear-mongering going on right now, that to re-elect Trump would bring the doom of the US system. First of all this is silly stuff meant to scare CNN-watching boomers into voting Democrat. But even if it's true, the US system is so corrupt, wasteful and broken that I would almost welcome its doom anyway.
