lowenz on 26/12/2022 at 21:06
Yes, to the absurd point that some extreme marxists (here in Italy we got some of them) are not "cultural marxists" (because they're hegelian marxists so they symphatize with hegelian national socialists / nazbol so they're "good to go" )
You see why the GOP and the Far Right are simply mad or just planting the seeds of plain chaos in the mind of people using this fringe academy-confined maitre-a-penser as grey eminances in their pseudorational narrative.
Cipheron on 26/12/2022 at 21:31
Quote Posted by lowenz
Yes, to the absurd point that some extreme marxists (here in Italy we got some of them) are
not "cultural marxists" (because they're hegelian marxists so they symphatize with hegelian national socialists / nazbol so they're "good to go" )
You see why the GOP and the Far Right are simply mad or just planting the seeds of plain chaos in the mind of people using this fringe academy-confined
maitre-a-penser as grey eminances in their pseudorational narrative.
I don't know much about Hegel but it's interesting if one writer has influenced both sides of the political spectrum. That makes me think of Nietzsche who was see as a radical leftist by some in his day, but the executor of his estate was a right-wing Germanic ethno-nationalist, so edited editions of his books to support her views. That would kind of suck if you wrote a bunch of stuff, then your sister was an actual Nazi and rewrote your stuff to support Nazism.
Also the idea of the Nietzshan "Superman" is clearly mis-interpreted by people who think they're smart but are clearly not. There were two prodigies who read in Nietzsche that the future "Superman" won't need rules, moral etc. Nietzsche clearly meant that enlightened beings won't need rules because they will always know to do the right thing. But these Einsteins took "whatever the Superman does is correct" to mean that if you think you're better than everyone else it's ok to murder people.
lowenz on 26/12/2022 at 21:42
Yeah, you can think of Hegel as the perfect anti-Nietzsche for both side (who takes from Nietzsche for the right takes from Hegel for the left -nationalists- and who despises Nietzsche for the right despises Hegel for the left -internationalists AND the other way crossing the arguments )
lowenz on 26/12/2022 at 21:51
Quote Posted by Cipheron
But these Einsteins took "whatever the Superman does is correct" to mean that if you think you're better than everyone else it's ok to murder people.
Nietzsche's argument about "murder" (war) was simply the old Eraclitean view about "
polemos" and its inevitability. Nietzsche simply provokes the simple-minded, easy-scared by violence and force people showing that war can open the road the cultural growth.
That's why nazis grabbed the all thing......moving from "cultural growth" to demographic state-drive expansion, the
lebensraum.
Nietzsche never loved the idea of "state" and in particular the state as "people tutor", that's for sure. So for Nietzsche the war is not about state conflicts nor state interests. It's about the one emboding the Ubermensch traits against the Kathecon ( (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katechon) ): just think about Napoleon against the
ancien régime AND the sterile, "stupid" answers to that (the French Revolution and the Terror, the Enlightment, etc).
It's why it's NOT about "values" (no matter the values) but about a life-afferming driving force (sometimes destructive, sometimes not) :) Hegel is the polar opposite to this: DIVINE-GRADE RATIONALITY as the SPIRIT weapon.
Nicker on 27/12/2022 at 06:26
Quote Posted by Starker
Huh, never knew I was a Marxist, but okay.
Exactly what a Marxist would say.
Starker on 27/12/2022 at 23:34
The Texan governor apparently decided to celebrate Jesus's birthday by delivering some Republican-brand Christmas cruelty as part of yet another political stunt:
Quote:
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https://www.texastribune.org/2022/12/25/greg-abbott-migrant-busing-dc-christmas-eve/)
More than 100 migrants bused from Texas arrived at Vice President Kamala Harris' residence in Washington, D.C., on Christmas Eve — enduring freezing temperatures in the state's latest instance of sending migrants to cities led by Democrats.
The Washington Post reported Sunday that volunteers who greeted the migrants received word that Gov. Greg Abbott had sent about 110 to 130 men, women and children on three buses that arrived at the Naval Observatory on Saturday night. Videos shared on social media show many of them clutching blankets over their shoulders in the 18-degree weather after the two-day trip.
[...]
I looked up how cold 18 degrees is, and it's friggin' minus 7-8 degrees celsius. That's quite dangerous without proper winter clothing.
Nicker on 28/12/2022 at 03:03
Also it's the middle of a snowstorm/national disaster. Just when every sane governor is telling people NOT to travel unless absolutely necessary.
I guess it was absolutely necessary to prank the Libs for Christmas.
Cipheron on 28/12/2022 at 05:54
FFS they're competing on who can be more evil now. Sending people out in this weather when people are literally freezing to death in their cars.
demagogue on 28/12/2022 at 08:07
Sadly the only comments I've heard on it here in the heartland have been positive about it.
Owning Libs is the joke that's never not funny for this demographic I guess?
It makes me wonder how I could have been born and raised in this part of the world.
Have people's brains been scrambled so much since I left the US?
I remember a few nutjobs growing up whose dads were in militias and who talked about Jews like they were LARPing the Turner Diaries, but they were put in the same bin as quacks like McVeigh and Nichols or Branch Dividians that you needed to keep a wary eye on. I know heywood was saying people are wising up, but I guess where my family is around Tulsa now (which isn't home for me, so I admittedly don't understand it well), I'm not seeing the wising up part, but still plenty of people queued up in the kool aide line on display.
