Pyrian on 12/10/2022 at 16:27
Worth noting specifically that
even if a pre-viable fetus is a person under the law, that
still doesn't suffice to justify forced birth. You can't be forced to donate a kidney (in our current laws, lol).
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I'm sure we'd all like to know at what point we become sentient and when we become self-aware, but we have no way of knowing that.
It's probably some time
after birth, tho'. :p
Starker on 12/10/2022 at 17:02
Quote Posted by heywood
It's all human though. The question is when, during development, should the fetus be treated as a person under the law, with rights separate from the mother? Viability is a reasonable standard for that, because it defines the point at which the fetus could potentially live outside of the womb.
Human in the sense that it is a human cell, yes, but not necessarily in the broad sense of the word that it has been used --a human life.
But I agree, it's the real world questions that matter here, not whether an unfertilised or a fertilised egg technically counts as human life because they can become a human via cloning or natural development, respectively.
Nicker on 13/10/2022 at 02:20
Bumped the Roe v Wade thread.
Bring your refreshments.
Jason Moyer on 13/10/2022 at 03:29
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I take it you are between the ages of 18 and 50 and will slide the scale farther as you age then? LOL
Nope, in 5 years I'm going to bludgeon myself with a coat hanger on facebook live.
demagogue on 13/10/2022 at 07:55
This week I watched Showtime's The Lincoln Project documentary. Great doc. It plays like The War Room, that doc about Clinton's core campaign team. The Lincoln Project was basically a Republican election team campaigning for Biden, a Democrat, basically the way they'd run any campaign in the online era, district by district. I did my undergrad thesis on the statistics of the 1992 election, so it was fun for me to follow. (Then the whole drama of the meltdown was another layer of what made it really interesting.)
Anyway, maybe the big thing I learned from it was that Trump lost pretty much for just one reason, which was his ineptitude over Covid. It's kind of crazy to think about, but they had the numbers to show that it took a year-long pandemic with 300,000 dead for Trump to get a sufficient dent in his support base to lose. You might think how lucky we were, but on the other hand it shows just how fanatical his base is in support for him. Even after everything we know, it was still unsettling to see how the numbers played out that way.
Cipheron on 16/10/2022 at 08:39
BTW what's the story with the badge Herschel Walker flashed during the debate where his lies about being in law enforcement were exposed?
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/herschel-walker-flashes-seemingly-bogus-police-badge-at-debate-against-raphael-warnock)
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another claim by Walker grabbed attention of viewers across the country: the moment when he broke debate rules by holding up an alleged police badge in response to a zinger by Warnock.
“One thing I have not done—I have never pretended to be a police officer. And I've never threatened a shootout with the police,” Warnock shot at Walker in one of the more tense moments of the debate.
In response, the Republican whipped a large black badge with a gold star out of his breast pocket for only a brief moment.
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I am work (sic) with many police officers,” he exclaimed.
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“In fairness to Herschel Walker, I sometimes pull out my Star Fleet badge to get past security at Star Trek conferences,” wrote George Takei, an actor in Star Trek, on Twitter.
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The Walker campaign provided Associated Press stories from 1989 where Walker himself referenced doing an obstacle course with other FBI recruits to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
A request by The Daily Beast for further corroboration of his attending the FBI course were not immediately answered by the Walker campaign.
In a post-debate interview with News Nation, Walker produced the badge once again—which Leland Vittert read as from Johnson County. And Walker repeated a past defense, which was that he was “joking” about being an FBI agent, and that he “never said I went out to do anything” but has “worked with” many county law enforcement agencies.
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Previously, Walker's campaign told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution he was an honorary deputy in Cobb County, Georgia as well as three other unnamed counties, but neither the Cobb County police or sheriff's departments were able to support the claim.
An honorary badge ”gives you absolutely no law enforcement authority,” former DeKalb County District Attorney J. Tom Morgan told The Atlanta Constitution-Journal.
“It's like a junior ranger badge.”
Could this be the real story? Perhaps at some point in the past he was given toy badges by the local sheriff's office in those counties that they give to kids to make them "honorary" deputies if they did some public service? In that case, they probably don't keep a record of who they gave those badges out to, which is why they can't corroborate that he got one.
Man if this guy gets elected it's going to be a train wreck of epic proportions.
Starker on 16/10/2022 at 11:24
That he has a real chance of getting elected to one of the highest offices in the country just boggles the mind.
Anyway, SNL did a skit about the last January 6 hearing:
[video=youtube;XG2KrOpbjTU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG2KrOpbjTU[/video]
Cipheron on 20/10/2022 at 16:07
Well they found one to top Walker already. A pro-Trump Patriot(tm) MAGA college school board candidate caught masturbating in his truck 60 meters from a pre-school with visible kids running around
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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/maga-candidate-caught-allegedly-masturbating-preschool-1234614263/)
However he was watching pornos too, and that's his defense. Just a porno stop, and he never noticed any kids. Just a normal thing normal people do apparently.
He's suspended his candidacy, however apparently he's still on the ballot and people are wondering whether this will even mean he loses.
Vae on 20/10/2022 at 22:47
Quote Posted by Starker
That he has a real chance of getting elected to one of the highest offices in the country just boggles the mind.
It boggles the mind of those who have been sufficiently propagandized.
