nbohr1more on 22/2/2021 at 14:34
Quote Posted by Cipheron
Another important fact here is that ActBlue isn't even a "PAC", it's a credit-card processing organization, which handles the details of donors for you.
Basically it's *exactly* like Patreon but for political organizations. ActBlue charges a transaction fee of 3.95%, but in perspective, Patreon charges 5%.
So why would they have an ActBlue account? Because it's *cheaper than Patreon*, not because they're "funneling money" anywhere. So they probably have both a Patreon and an ActBlue, but they'd direct you to ActBlue by preference since ActBlue doesn't take such a big chunk of the cash.
The reason it doesn't fund Republicans is that Republicans have their own, identical, payment-processor called "WinRed", which again is the same deal, a Patreon-style website but specifically for donating to conservative fund raisers.
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https://winred.com/)
BTW i lied when I said "identical". While ActBlue was set up as a non-profit organization, Republicans are never ones to miss a way to grift their followers of a buck, so when they made WinRed to compete with ActBlue, they made sure to register it as a for-profit corporation.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRed)
They also don't disclose their finances:
Additionally, since ActBlue is an literal non-profit they by definition don't have profits to even send to the DNC, even out of their 3.95% service fee. WinRed on the other hand, is a fully for-profit actually owned by the RNC apparently.
And they've been bullying rival conservative payment processors out of business:
Thanks for drawing my attention to this. The Republican version of ActBlue sounds like it's run by mafia bosses compared to the Democrat version.
While there are no plausible links between ActBlue and the DNC, their own actions show how this is not true of WinRed and the RNC, who have been actively trying to destroy OTHER conservative donation platforms, and demanding that all conservative donations be funneled through their proprietary for-profit payment processor.
EDIT, probably just the tip of the iceberg:
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https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/11/01/impeachment-open-thread-subtle-as-a-rock-through-a-window/)
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https://americanindependent.com/gop-chairwoman-ronna-mcdaniel-corruption/)
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/trump-winred-kushner_n_5d27bcf8e4b0060b11e9cbf5?ri18n=true)
Oh right, all makes sense now. There's a family member of Trump involved. Trump doesn't give the first shit about literally anything unless there's some personal profit for himself in it, it makes sense that if he's adamant that people use the Winred platform there **had** to be some direct money funnel into his pocket involved, and explains why they're using mafia tactics to strong-arm other Republicans to exclusively use this over-priced platform vs the alternatives. It took a while to find the above, but the rest just tumbles out now:
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https://news.yahoo.com/concerns-mount-over-jared-kushners-role-in-gop-money-machine-090000260.html)
EDIT: sorry this got edited so much. At first I assumed WinRed was just the GOP version of ActBlue, but as I delved into it, I smelt the shit smell and had to work out where the stench was coming from. Pure greed it turns out.
Try posting from ONE media source that isn't heavily influenced (bullied) by Act Blue regarding the nature of "WinRed".
For all I know, Win Red is just Act Blue trying to lure Republicans donors into a media honeypot.
prengle on 23/2/2021 at 00:58
Quote Posted by june gloom
Al_B is Scottish. SubJeff lives in England. Who are you?
i'm a warm-blooded american, i hate the united states of america more than anyone else on this big gay earth :cool:
june gloom on 23/2/2021 at 01:12
okay then
Nicker on 23/2/2021 at 02:07
That sounded more like a challenge than an introduction. prengle.
uncadonego on 23/2/2021 at 11:50
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
For all I know, Win Red is just Act Blue trying to lure Republicans donors into a media honeypot.
With your penchant for motivated reasoning, it won't be long before you prove it to yourself....
nbohr1more on 23/2/2021 at 18:09
Quote Posted by uncadonego
With your penchant for motivated reasoning, it won't be long before you prove it to yourself....
It is called goldfish memory when people forget things in the recent past.
Watch what Media Matters \ Act Blue did in the past:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-S3RRfgyo)
Do you honestly think that they have stopped? Especially after getting all the DNC funding between 2016 and now?
Do you think Media Matters \ Act Blue regrets trying to discredit Andrew Breitbart when he exposed Anthony Weiner's crimes?
Do we cheer-lead a propaganda system that helped enable a pedophile and uses mafia extortion tactics against large media outlets?
Now they know the microscope is on them so they want their partners to draw a parallel on the right.
I guarantee the war-chest and influence of "WinRed" is nowhere close to what Media Matters \ Act Blue have.
Let's look at the big picture:
Imagine being a wealthy elite who has media and politicians in his pockets.
Your choice of party to back you and hide your dalliances:
1) Republicans = Ghoulish capitalists who openly cheer the wealthy on and deride the poor
2) Democrats = Heart and Sleeves virtue signaling do-gooders who never turn down a charity
Do you think the ultra-wealthy are dumb enough to align with option 1?
Option 1 is for surrogates of the ultra-wealthy, Option 2 is where the ultra-wealthy can carry out their agendas unchecked.
Jeff Bezos wants less regulation for Amazon?
If he befriends a Republican politician, his moves will be scrutinized in the press and it may mean the loss of political fortunes.
If he befriends a Democrat, the media will write opinion pieces about the benefits of the de-regulation and Amazon's moves in the market.
People making excuses for Media Matters and the DNC are why Bernie Sanders was shut out of 2 primaries and we are back to a Neoliberal as POTUS.
Tocky on 24/2/2021 at 01:07
Do you realize we wouldn't even be here if it were not for the Citizens United decision brought about by Republicans?
Also LOL that Cipheron handed you your ass and you keep going like he didn't.
nbohr1more on 24/2/2021 at 02:44
Quote Posted by Tocky
Do you realize we wouldn't even be here if it were not for the Citizens United decision brought about by Republicans?
Also LOL that Cipheron handed you your ass and you keep going like he didn't.
If you cannot recognize that Cipheron is an Act Blue employee then you cannot be helped.
june gloom on 24/2/2021 at 03:58
Do you have proof of this?
nbohr1more on 24/2/2021 at 04:26
Quote Posted by june gloom
Do you have proof of this?
Cipheron's rebuttals are all posted relatively quickly whenever a DNC sore spot comes up and they are all full of the same material you see in reddit posts by Act Blue employees.
It's like having your own personal version of that youtube political debater "Destiny" (who always debates with an ear-piece and browser ready...).
Either Cipheron is an Act Blue employee or they are doing a hell of an impression of one.
Wait till half your forum is shilled to hell and now all your TTLG conversations are tinged with "the political implications of this", or "it's cool just like candidate X", or "it's idiotic like candidate Y".
Astro-turfing needs to be illegal.