demagogue on 16/2/2021 at 03:46
Whether Trump faces criminal prosecution I think will come down to the prosecutors, and I can't see them forgoing it for lack of evidence. There are a number of charges where evidence supporting the elements is already publicly available and easy to connect the dots, the obstruction of justice charges most straightforwardly. He asked his minions to literally lie for him, and he used pardons to pretty transparently ask for witnesses to lie for him. Conspiracy to undermine the 2016 and 2020 elections is in the cards, but their contribution wasn't competent or organized enough to rise to the level of criminal conspiracy, I think was the punchline of Mueller's report that may apply to the 2020 case as well.
The misuse of campaign funds and self-dealing (secret service paying to use his facilities, etc.) are also pretty evident, but the issue there may be that they might be political questions that aren't justicible (i.e., not up to a court to enforce them), but I don't know the answer to that. Bribery I think is on better grounds (pay for pardons, appointments, & decisions), cf. Blagojevich. I have an intuition that that evidence would be pretty easy to dig up too, since he wasn't exactly careful to hide it.
What else? I already mentioned Jane Doe XIII before; because the girls he allegedly raped were also allegedly raped by Epstein, there's indications they're involved in the Epstein estate & Maxwell cases, which is a reason to think that may be a new threat to him now. Because people were injured and died in the Capitol attack, an incitement charge is technically in the cards, but the problem with that is criminal incitement requires specific intent (you have to specifically intend the mob injures people when inciting them), not just reckless intent (you know it's likely people may be injured from your words and you say them anyway, but you don't know & you don't actually intend that outcome). But a creative prosecutor may find ways to address with the intention issue (mens rea) if they can get a jury to buy it. I just mean they have a lot of fodder to work with since lots of things Trump said and did in that period speak to bad intentions.
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edit: I'm going to be adding in the criminal suit filings if/as I find them:
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https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.227536/gov.uscourts.dcd.227536.1.0_1.pdf) Incitement for the Capitol attack
Cipheron on 17/2/2021 at 03:02
The latest QAnon thing is a 4th March coup. Trump will be restored, elections be damned. Elections (since 1871) are fake news.
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https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-donald-trump-reinstatement-march-4-dc-police-threats-1569534)
The basis for the date is that they changed the inauguration date from March 4 to Jan 20 back in 1933, to reduce the lame duck period. Trump will restore the "real" date.
The other key part of this is a conspiracy theory that everything that's happened since 1871 is fake news:
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https://www.federaljack.com/slavery-by-consent-the-united-states-corporation/)
The claim is that in 1871 that they replaced the Constitution with the CONSTITUTION (all caps), which is in every way almost identical in wording except for one bit where they changed a "for" to an "of", so therefore everything since 1871 is illegitimate since they used the identical, but fake, "CONSTITUTION". Who was behind that? The Rothschilds of course. According to the link, the one extra "of" and the all-caps meant that the fake constitution destroyed the Republic.
Therefore the US government since 1871 isn't the real government, it's the GOVERNMENT, which doesn't actually exist, and Trump will restore the non-all-caps Constitution on March 4.
I'm glossing the details a bit, but I doubt the version they're actually spreading makes any more sense than that.
faetal on 17/2/2021 at 14:07
The mental acrobatics required to hang onto the idea of Trump as president are nothing if not impressive.
What the human mind won't do to avoid feeling duped.
Gryzemuis on 17/2/2021 at 19:52
Today is a good day. Limbaugh died.
june gloom on 17/2/2021 at 20:47
Best news I've heard all month. The world is objectively better off without him. This is a great day in American history.
Jason Moyer on 17/2/2021 at 22:09
I'd celebrate his death but the bullshit-o-thon that he is almost singlehandedly responsible for is still ongoing and getting worse. I guess it's good there's one less evil waste of carbon occupying the planet.
SubJeff on 18/2/2021 at 00:01
I'm always surprised when people are happy someone died. Not like a murderer or war criminal or something, which I might understand, but someone like this that people just don't like.
It's a bit mauvais gout, no?
Tells you more about the person celebrating than the person who has died.
Side note: some of his statements in the past have been so outrageous they're hilarious. I mostly disagree with him, natch, but that kind of extremeness is sometimes poetic in its nonsense. A little like Trump, but far more clever.
Jason Moyer on 18/2/2021 at 00:29
I can understand it, the guy was basically an evil prophet, spreading a gospel of white victimhood, mainstreaming conservative conspiracy shit before it was cool, and popularizing the idea that it's ok to be fucking awful to everyone and that that should be established conservative dogma. The guy did as much to push the US into the political stone ages as Goldwater or Nixon or Reagan. He was the OG "the media is controlled by commies who censor everyone, that's why I have a massive media platform" guy. The OG "I can openly say racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. shit and if someone punches me in the mouth they're the wrong one" guy.
Starker on 18/2/2021 at 00:55
Rolling Stone has an extensive article on the life and legacy of Limbaugh:
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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/rush-limbaugh-dead-trump-ruined-america-1129222/)
What mattered most about Limbaugh was never primarily whom he helped elect, or which groups of people he offended, or why. It was the effect he had on his fans — on the millions of white conservatives he coddled, flattered, tickled, entertained, disinformed, fearmongered, and pulled into a counterfactual universe that became darker over time. It was the way that universe, that bubble of disinformation, kept expanding and metastasizing after he'd shown it could draw record ratings and dollars — across the radio spectrum, onto cable news, into the digital sphere, into statehouses, into Congress, and finally into the White House with Trump. And lastly, it was the way he, more than any other single person, created the conditions for an anti-democratic Republican Party.
Tocky on 18/2/2021 at 01:00
Quote Posted by SubJeff
I'm always surprised when people are happy someone died. Not like a murderer or war criminal or something, which I might understand, but someone like this that people just don't like.
It's a bit mauvais gout, no?
Tells you more about the person celebrating than the person who has died.
Side note: some of his statements in the past have been so outrageous they're hilarious. I mostly disagree with him, natch, but that kind of extremeness is sometimes poetic in its nonsense. A little like Trump, but far more clever.
Seriously? Someone who celebrated the deaths of those with aids by calling their names out loud and ringing bells and whistles? Someone who said Michael J. Fox was faking Parkinsons? Someone who called a 13 year old girl a dog? Someone who called Jerry Garcia "just another dead doper and dirtbag" though Rush was the one with the drug problem at the time and spoke out against those dying of opioid addiction while HE had one? Someone who repeatedly downed women and blacks out of his misogyny and racism?
The man was a shit human who reaped what he sowed no matter how much is heaped on him at the end. He never failed to mock those who he disliked at their death (undeservedly) so you really expect others to not point out what a hateful lying sack of shit who tried his best to make the world worse till his dying breath asshole he was? Seriously?
