lowenz on 11/1/2021 at 09:18
Quote Posted by Pyrian
a simple majority in both houses of Congress could just throw out as many electoral votes as they wanted and easily put any candidate with at least one electoral vote into office?
Now you know why "representative democracy" is an awesome route to tyranny? :D
rachel on 11/1/2021 at 09:26
Quote Posted by demagogue
For example he probably shouldn't be found guilty for inciting insurrection because that requires specific intent (he said things with the specific intention his audience would interpret them as instructions to storm the capitol), and his statements to the riotous mob at the time, on their face, didn't actually cross that line... I think they did pretty clearly cross the line into reckless intent (a reasonable person could have predicted the violence would happen with those words and he said them anyway), but reckless intent isn't enough for that crime.
Here's an interesting analysis of the speech:
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https://nyti.ms/3bnusR3)
Cipheron on 11/1/2021 at 09:29
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
How much do they pay you to gaslight this much?
The author of the paper used automated tools to track network activity.
It is common for "botnets" to use typo-squat hosts and there are even references to the type of "Advanced Persistent Threats" (ATP) used in this operation.
Is it you who assumes that nobody here understands how a botnet works?
No, you just can't read.
The term "botnet" isn't even mentioned in the paper, even once. That's above the pay grade of the moron who wrote that.
What he does do is us a publicly available "similar domains" tool to find completely unrelated domains. See sectiion 14 onwards, that's the meat of this claim that the entire thing is built off: the "similar domains" tool. But all that does is find ones with a similar
spelling. They're not actually related in any way, and the guy writing this didn't even attempt to show that they're actually related. It's like saying carrots are a type of car because carrot has the word "car" in it.
For example one he "uncovers" is "dv.scopr.com" which the tool found as "similar" to "dvscopr.com". Merely because the spelling is similar. The problem is that there's no connection there at all. scopr.com is entirely different to dvscopr.com,
even if the owner of scopr.com (an entirely unrelated company) made a subdomain called "dv".
And remember, go read it yourself, the "similar domains" are all similar to dvscopr.com, which is a
typo of their actual, but long defunct, website dvscorp.com. And another critical point here is that "dvscopr.com" doesn't even exist. It's not a registered domain by Dominion or anyone else. See the whois:
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https://who.is/whois/dvscopr.com)
So this guy probably tried a few random misspellings of their old website, then found one of those which happened to have a similar spelling to a website in China, and thought "that's good enough". It's like saying that if I spell your name wrong, then there's someone in China with a "similar" name to the misspelled one, and therefore you're an agent of China.
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That's just not how any of this works, and I find it baffling that you could be taken in by any of that.
EDIT: another bit I picked up is section 16.
Quote:
This Dominion partner domain “dvscorp” also includes an auto discovery feature, where new in-network devices automatically connect to the system. [...] The auto discovery feature allows programmers to access any system while it is connected to the internet once it's a part of the constellation of devices
But this isn't what auto-discovery is. Auto-discovery is a LAN thing, and that's clear because of the wording "new
in-network devices automatically connect to the system." "In network" means "on the LAN".
If you
didn't have auto-discovery set up, there would be something very, very wrong, because that's how local machines work out their own address relative to the LAN. Every corporate LAN in the world probably has that enabled. Basically any company where you have user accounts and a company email address would need auto-discovery turned on.
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https://support.oneidentity.com/tpam/kb/103710/setting-up-auto-discovery-for-active-directory)
And i can say for a fact that auto-discovery does not allow programmers to access "any system" if it's connected to the internet. That's not how anything that's called auto-discovery works.
Starker on 11/1/2021 at 10:55
Quote Posted by Cipheron
That's just not how any of this works, and I find it baffling that you could be taken in by any of that.
Oh, for a conspiracy-addled mind it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. It doesn't matter whether something plausible or true or even makes any kind of sense at all -- what matters is that it proves the evil intent of
them. And this is why you don't play pigeon chess with conspiracy nuts, unless you're really bored.
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
Of course, it wouldn't fucking matter because the only state that was close (Georgia) recounted the paper ballots 3 times and the final total had nothing to do with electronic voting machines.
What, you mean the state with an election system that was designed and run by Republicans had the hand count confirm the result? That only proves that the Democrats' algorithm was so good it altered the paper ballots as well.
Briareos H on 11/1/2021 at 14:12
Others have gone through it but here are my thoughts on the document.
* Points 1 to 5: Introduction.
BH: Irrelevant.
* Point 6: The analysis is based on common tools for scanning a company public network.
BH: The scan results contain no evidence that actual voting systems are reachable on the networks that were scanned, and the document provides no overall description of the "Dominion" and "Edison Research" systems architecture and no reference to such information. All findings in the document are about the companies themselves being possibly compromised rather than voting data.
* Point 7: "A public network scan of Dominionvoting.com on 2020-11-08 revealed the following interrelationships [...]"
BH: The global network topology diagram is unreadable and provides no information.
* Point 7: "[The scan] revealed 13 unencrypted passwords for dominion employees and 75 hashed passwords available in TOR nodes"
BH: This is worded strangely, and seems to be written to confuse and cause FUD. What they mean is that they found passwords for "employees" (evidence not provided) that are part of existing data breaches.
* Points 8 and 9: Shows that Dominion has machines and employees in Belgrade.
BH: Irrelevant.
* Point 10: "Inputting the Iranian IP into Robtex confirms the direct connection into the “edisonresearch” host from the perspective of the Iranian domain also. This means that it is not possible that the connection was a unidirectional reference."
BH: This section supposedly shows that Edison Research has a machine in Iran, but I'm not seeing it. There is no description of the nature of the link in point 10, and the sentence quoted above makes no sense, all the screenshot shows is that the Iranian machine has "edisonresearch" as hostname, which is not indicating of anything besides a possible attempt at phishing (not indicative of actual breach).
* Point 10: Shows that Share of Ear (part of Edison Research) and BMA Capital share hosting.
BH: A VPS by defintion hosts several websites on the same machine. Despite linking "vps2.edisonresearch.com" with "bmacapital.com", it is likely to be the result of a reverse DNS lookup on the VPS, and this does not indicate any formal link between the companies.
* Point 10: Shows that in 2011, "dominionvotingsystems.com" redirected to "dominionvoting.com". Shows that "dominionvotingsystems.com" was registered from China according to the registrar (GoDaddy).
BH: He fails to mention that the domain was last registered in China on 2020-05-26, 9 years after the redirect was shown to be in place. Anything could have happened with the domain ownership in the meantime and DNS history is not provided. Any serious analyst would not omit DNS history information. The sentence "The records of China accessing the server are reliable." is meaningless.
* Point 11: Discusses BMA Capital without having reasonably shown that it is linked to Edison Research besides web hosting on the same machine.
BH: Irrelevant.
* Point 12: Remarks that a subdomain "scorecard" exists at "indivisible.org" and ties it to Obama.
BH: No link between indivisible and Edison Research or Dominion is provided. Irrelevant.
* Point 13: States that Edison Research is an "affiliate" for Dominion with regards to result tabulation.
BH: No source provided. I see no problematic statement or claim.
* Point 14: Points to credible evidence for a foreign honeypot targeting the "dvscorp.com" domain and website owned by Dominion.
BH: Not surprising, and irrelevant unless proof is provided that employees were caught in the honeypot.
* Point 15: "The auto discovery feature allows programmers to access any system while it is connected to the internet once it's a part of the constellation of devices (see original Spiderfoot graph)."
BH: No technical details are given on the auto discovery feature. The sentence quoted above does not provide any useful exploitable information (but contributes to FUD).
* Point 16: "Dominion Voting Systems Corporation in 2019 sold a number of their patents to China "
BH: The attached records only show a patent security assignment with HSBC Canada as a collateral. I fail to see any evidence that the patent was sold to "China". Even if it is the case, that could very well be irrelevant.
* Points 17 and 18: Introduces the github repo of a tool supposed to be used for "electoral seat allocation".
BH: I see no problematic statement or claim.
* Point 19: Remarks that "Center for Tech and Civic Life", a workgroup for improving electronic voting processes in the USA is partially funded by Mark Zuckerberg and has a github repo that is worked on by a federal employee.
BH: Irrelevant.
* Point 20: States that Iranian agents have scanned for vulnerabilities in election company websites and obtained voter registration data.
BH: I see no problematic statement or claim, this is well known.
* Point 21: "In my professional opinion, this affidavit presents unambiguous evidence that Dominion Voter Systems and Edison Research have been accessible and were certainly compromised by rogue actors, such as Iran and China."
BH: It is not possible to make this claim based on the previous statements.
Conclusion: The only evidence provided in the document is that foreign actors have tried to compromise the networks of companies involved in election systems, and may (no proof) have obtained some level of access through credentials from existing data breaches. In short, nothing unexpected. I just don't see any explicit ties between those companies and foreign agents in these findings.
That being said, it shows that lack of transparency on network and software architectures in electronic voting (and in auditing results) can lead to suspicion and interpretation.
Tony_Tarantula on 11/1/2021 at 16:10
Quote Posted by demagogue
Haha, careful or you're gonna crack Vae's marbles.
Let me interject to say, trolling aside, that of course it's important that Trump be treated as fairly and neutrally as possible.
For example he probably shouldn't be found guilty for inciting insurrection because that requires specific intent (he said things with the specific intention his audience would interpret them as instructions to storm the capitol), and his statements to the riotous mob at the time, on their face, didn't actually cross that line... I think they did pretty clearly cross the line into reckless intent (a reasonable person could have predicted the violence would happen with those words and he said them anyway), but reckless intent isn't enough for that crime.
I think it's enough for an impeachment, but not for a conviction. I mean it's up to a jury to decide; they might think his intention was that specific in the context, but it's not immediately clear from the words themselves, and there's arguably reasonable doubt about it..
No it isn't. trump very clearly attempted a coup attempt. He's a traitor and attempted to destroy the constitution. the penalty is very clearly spelled out.
Anyone who can't should spend less time on Parler...oh wait, you can't! Good fucking riddance! And good on Bezos and Dorsey for helping to squash out this dangerous, violent, cult.
catbarf on 11/1/2021 at 17:37
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
No it isn't. trump very clearly attempted a coup attempt. He's a traitor and attempted to destroy the constitution. the penalty is very clearly spelled out.
Anyone who can't should spend less time on Parler...oh wait, you can't! Good fucking riddance! And good on Bezos and Dorsey for helping to squash out this dangerous, violent, cult.
You're not fooling anyone. Fuck off already.
ZylonBane on 11/1/2021 at 18:05
Quote Posted by Starker
Oh, for a conspiracy-addled mind it's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
"Whoops!"
"Whoopsie!"
Starker on 11/1/2021 at 18:38
Well, what do you know, QAnon was right about there being mass arrests after all:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/capitol-siege-arrests/2021/01/07/661292a2-5105-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html)
Several dozen people arrested in the violent chaos at the U.S. Capitol made their first appearances in court Thursday as authorities vowed to track down additional suspects and also determine why the mob that stormed and vandalized the building was able to easily overwhelm the police officers guarding it.
In D.C. Superior Court, 40 defendants were charged with unlawful entry of public property and were notified that prosecutors are reviewing evidence of an additional charge of curfew violation. Most of the defendants came from outside of the Washington region — including Oregon, Florida, Wyoming, Connecticut and Pennsylvania — though some were from the District, Maryland and Virginia.
One person arrested was charged with possessing a “military style automatic weapon” and 11 molotov cocktails, prosecutors said. Another defendant was charged with assaulting a police officer with a hockey stick. Yet another, who needed a Russian interpreter, told a judge, “I don’t know what unlawful entry you are referring to.”
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NYT also has a highlight reel of some of the more clownish/notable people:
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-arrests.html)
Nicker on 11/1/2021 at 19:52
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
"Whoops!"
"Whoopsie!"
"And then the Deep State is going to hack the totally unconnected voting processes in every state and engineer a close call win for Biden but give up seats in Congress and almost lose the battle for the Senate."
"That sounds like it would be almost impossible.""Actually it will be super easy. Barely an inconvenience."
