Gryzemuis on 10/1/2021 at 21:57
But what is that document trying to prove? I did read/skim through all pages. Nowhere it is clear what the guy is trying to tell us. What is the crux? What is the story?
I'm not 100% sure what Spiderfoot does exactly. But Robtex is just a simple tool to look at the DNS (domain name system) and IP addresses. There is nothing "intelligence" about that. It doesn't prove any interaction or connection between activities. It just shows that a company is an international company, with maybe offices in multiple countries. There's nothing hidden about that. It's the fucking DNS. That system is designed so everyone can look up that stuff. As quickly as possible. With zero limitations.
So what does that document try to say ?
As far as I can see, it says absolutely nothing.
I'm not a network security expert. But you can call me a network expert if you wish. Don't be shy, be as technical as you need to be. I can understand everything about IP-addresses and the DNS. (I'm probably the biggest expert on IP-addresses you'll ever meet. :p (to be precise: expert on Internet routing)).
Please enlighten me.
Nameless Voice on 10/1/2021 at 22:06
It's all a moot point and meaningless, and needs a serious application of Occam's Razor.
We know that Trump was an extremely unpopular president from the opinion polls throughout his term, and that the USA became a laughing stock under his presidency to the rest of the world.
We know that there were huge campaigns to bring people out to vote against Trump, including a huge campaign of native peoples with mass registration drives.
We know that Trump is a habitual liar, because you only have to watch five minutes of him speaking (or read one or two of his tweets) to realise that a huge proportion of everything he says is outright lies.
We know that he didn't win the popular vote even in 2016.
We know that he failed to deliver on most of the promises that he made.
We know that the USA has one of the worst (if not the worst) handling of the coronavirus pandemic of any country in the world, while under his reign, and that many of their mistakes can be directly attributed to the president's actions. In other words, his mismanagement lead to the death of almost 400,000 US citizens, many of which could have been prevented if the government had acted properly.
So, we have an extremely unpopular and underperforming president, who is responsible for the deaths of almost as many US citizens as WW2, and a lot of people really motivated to get rid of him. Just from those facts alone, the most reasonable conclusion is that he would lose the election. The chance of him winning was always very slim.
So, even if there was election fraud from the Democrats, it would have been unnecessary. He would have lost without it.
Furthemore, if they had somehow cheated in the elections, why would they have given themselves such poor results in the Congress and Senate? They lost seats in Congress, and only just barely made enough gains to take control of the Senate from the last run-off in Geogria.
Finally, we already have clear evidence that Trump attempted to interfere in the election - not from news sources, but from his own words and his own Twitter account.
So, the argument that there was election fraud from the Democrats, which didn't achieve anything for them, is ludicrous - even more so because we already know that the other side tried to interfere with the elections, and didn't have much success. So, at worst, even if the wild claims are true, it would just mean that both sides tried to cheat equally, and that it didn't do anything for either side.
That's not even going into the fact that the main person making the claims of interference is a known and proven habitual lair.
Microwave Oven on 10/1/2021 at 22:08
I was staying away from this thread, but this affidavit by Mr. [redacted] irked me too much. It's a total amateur hour production, for one. His "qualifications" as an analyst are puffed up, he was probably a low-level clerk assigned to click a mouse. I also gravely doubt he's a OMG1337hax0rman, and really only knows how to use off-the-shelf network scanners.
Aside from his dubious experience, his actual report basically uncovers the deep, dark secret of the Internet, the one that all the governments of the world will assassinate people to keep secret, is that the Internet is a world-wide network of computers that connect to each other! OMG, shocking, I know.
What the report is sorely lacking, is any actual evidence that the voting systems were breached at all, or that any votes were tampered with. The affidavit is bunk, and useless as any evidence.
Try again?
Tony_Tarantula on 10/1/2021 at 22:26
Can we ban him already? He's engaging in sedition against the US government and that's not legal.
nbohr1more on 10/1/2021 at 22:58
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
But what is that document trying to prove? I did read/skim through all pages. Nowhere it is clear what the guy is trying to tell us. What is the crux? What is the story?
I'm not 100% sure what Spiderfoot does exactly. But Robtex is just a simple tool to look at the DNS (domain name system) and IP addresses. There is nothing "intelligence" about that. It doesn't prove any interaction or connection between activities. It just shows that a company is an international company, with maybe offices in multiple countries. There's nothing hidden about that. It's the fucking DNS. That system is designed so everyone can look up that stuff. As quickly as possible. With zero limitations.
So what does that document try to say ?
As far as I can see, it says absolutely nothing.
I'm not a network security expert. But you can call me a network expert if you wish. Don't be shy, be as technical as you need to be. I can understand everything about IP-addresses and the DNS. (I'm probably the biggest expert on IP-addresses you'll ever meet. :p (to be precise: expert on Internet routing)).
Please enlighten me.
Should voting machines have
ANY connections to the internet?
If votes are counted and validated locally, what is the point of having "connectivity" in this application?
nbohr1more on 10/1/2021 at 23:00
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
Can we ban him already? He's engaging in sedition against the US government and that's not legal.
Ah, I see. So all those people who wrote articles for years after the 2000 election about how Al Gore was the real winner are "seditious traitors".
You must really be pro 1984-dystopian.
Gryzemuis on 10/1/2021 at 23:06
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
Should voting machines have
ANY connections to the internet?
If votes are counted and validated locally, what is the point of having "connectivity" in this application?
I fully agree. Voting machines must not be connected.
However, that pdf has no mention of that. No indication, no suspicion, no proof. Nothing, sorry. It's like saying "Look, there's a weekly direct plane flight between New York and Moscow. That's proof that Mitch McConnell is in bed with the Russians".
FYI, 2 machines on the Internet can communicate with each other without interacting with the DNS. No problem. Usually when 2 machines interact, nobody knows, except the routers on the path between those 2 machines. Looking at the DNS to see if 2 machines communicated, is like asking the pastor of your church if 2 teenagers have had sex.
rachel on 10/1/2021 at 23:09
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
You're being far too kind.
After the attempted coup that happened, trump should be considered a traitor. Anyone who still supports him is a traitor and should be considered a terrorist enemy combatant.
And you know what we do with traitors right? Something about "hanging by the neck until dead". they should all suffer the fate of Benedict Arnold.
I wasn't expressing my personal opinion of the guy, I was trying to better understand the legal/constitutional situation and what might realistically happen.
Starker on 10/1/2021 at 23:34
Look, Tony, you can just drop the act. Your sudden conversion to an extremist leftist (or at least what you consider one to be like) was never funny or believable, especially after you bragged about cosplaying one on Facebook to see if you get any likes.
Cipheron on 10/1/2021 at 23:40
Quote Posted by SubJeff
I've read a bit of that. Seems pretty poorly put together.
For a start, there are several easily checked things here.
They focus on the website dominionvotingsystems.com, pointing out that it's registered in China.
You can "who is" easily for dominionvoting.com, and you can see that they registered their actual page 15 years ago, and they do it through a third-party IT provider.
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https://who.is/whois/dominionvoting.com)
Whereas the one mentioned in the paper was only registered a few months ago, was registered anonymously instead of through Dominion's normal provider, and there's no page at that location
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https://who.is/whois/dominionvotingsystems.com)
So, it's clearly just a fake.
Also, the guy is citing LinkedIn and shit as his "sources".
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A search of the indivisible.org network showed a subdomain which evidences the existence of scorecard software in use as part of the Indivisible (formerly ACORN) political group for Obama
Yeah the guy is just dribbling shit at this point. There is no such software as scorecard in the first place, and the idea that a spin-off of community services NGO ACORN is involved in high-tech shenanigans? You'd have to really be drinking the koolaid to believe this stuff.
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https://scorecard.indivisible.org/)
Ok so there's a subdomain on a pro-Obama website that says "scorecard". What this page contains is a list of policy areas and it's scoring Biden vs Trump on each of those areas. Wow, such proof of the "scorecard" software.
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He then goes on (about sections 13-16) to show a "similar domain" report. But
all "similar domain" means is that it two sites are similarly spelled, they don't indicate that the owner of one domain has anything to do with the owner of the different domains. The "similar" domains are just similarly-spelled sub-domains, they're completely unconnected.
His "proof" is that Dominion's old website was
dvscorp.com and there's a misspelling of dvscorp that they picked up as well, just to be safe, dvscopr.com. And there are several other websites that have a sub-domain which includes "dvscopr". What is Dominion hiding? The plot thickens /sarcasm
For example he notes that "dvscopr.hasura-app.io" is "similar" to "dvscopr.com" so therefore infers there's some nefarious link between these two entities, because they happen to have an (actual) subdomain of dvscopr, which is spelt the same as the (non-existent btw) website dvscopr.com, which is a misspelling of dvscorp.com. Following this yet? And he notes that some of the companies with these "dvscopr" subdomains exist in China, Iran etc. Therefore they're secret links between Dominion and those other nations /sarcasm
The point here is that dvscopr is a typo. Web providers will sometimes register a range of misspellings for the client in order to pick up common typos. But why then would an actual company in China working with DVS use the typo'd version? The very fact that this "proof" needed to go via a
misspelling of Dominion's old website should indicate how bullshit this claim is. If there was any more direct (i.e
not misspelled) connection then he would have used it. You don't have to be any sort of network expert to realize these claims are outright bullshit. The question of course is what's actually *at* those other "similar" websites would of course be the smoking gun, but apparently the high-level hacker behind this PDF wasn't interested to go *that* far down the rabbit hole, the same as he just mentions "scorecard.indivisible.org" without actually telling you what's there. He's relying on his readers being too dumb to do their own research.
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Quote:
In the GitHub account for Scytl, Scytl Jseats has some of the programming necessary tosupport a much broader set of election types, including
a decorator process where the data is smoothed, see the following diagram provided in their source code
As a programmer I know this one. The idea that a "decorator" "smooths the data" is bullshit. There's a whole wikipedia page about this:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorator_pattern)
Looking at the "evidence" all that really says is that it's a thing for determining how you want the final results to be displayed, as in formatting.
This guy is supposedly some kind of expert. No actual "computer expert" of any type would say "ahah, they said decorator! that means they're rigging the data!" without further evidence that something is going on.
What you have here is the classic Gish Gallop with 100 stupid claims and hoping that the sheer amount of dumb things adds up to one good thing.
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Reading the entire PDF makes me believe in the voting fraud LESS, not more, because if there was anything to it, complete amateur shit like this isn't what would have made it in front of my eyeballs.
