Starker on 8/1/2021 at 23:02
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
(Actually, I don't think this story is true. I don't know if rawstory.com is a serious website, or just makes up funny stories. The story doesn't seem to be reported anywhere else on the web).
Raw Story is a tabloid along the lines of Drudge Report, but with a left-wing bias. I wouldn't trust its reporting without corroborating the information first.
And if you're now asking what the Drudge Report is, it was initially a gossip newsletter that grew into one of the most influential conservative news aggregator sites and where Andrew Breitbart started his career.
lowenz on 8/1/2021 at 23:04
Quote Posted by heywood
Besides, what's the point in arguing with a bot?
It's not a bot, he really believes that the free speech (and "freedom at large" argument too) can make people "free" when in reality it feeds that kind of power fantasy that today social media strategists use to BIND people to their customers: the politicians of every party in every (fake or "real" ) representative democracy.
You know: engagement, affiliation and nurture :p
It's a perverted idea of freedom creating a perverted kind of electoral bonding.
Today the WHOLE idea of "free speech" is perverted in this kind of electoral weapon you've seen SO well in these turmoil days.
Obedient Citizenship as a product they sell you with "freedom" propaganda.
Speak your (paranoid) mind but obey as a soldier !
It's why the GOP now rejects the Capitol events and Ivanka modified the "patriots" tweet: no more obedience -> no "patriot" rhetoric easily applicable -> "
they're not our people, maybe they're antifa in disguise" ;)
Of course they're Trump people, but being "no more obedient" the leaders simply deny every (of course existing) affiliation.
Suddendly the supporters become renegades.
It's how the affiliation+rejection system works. It's how Trump works (see the Demagogue good explanation of how a narcissistic character loves and suddenly hates the just-a-moment-before loved ones)
And you call this "democracy".....it's a more like a devilish "consensus based domination" to me :p
That Miserable Thief on 8/1/2021 at 23:24
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
This is a bad faith argument.
The Trump team claims their evidence is true and is asking for a "good faith" effort to examine it.
You do not even need the accused to be present.
Get computer scientists, IT workers, NSA personnel, and mathematicians into the room with the evidence and validate it the truth\falsehood of it digitally.
No, it is not. Where was all of this evidence, and what exactly were the claims, in the 60+ failed lawsuits brought by Trump's lackeys? There was proper procedure to follow in their endeavor. They tried over 60 times and failed. Now, you are suggesting that the system is at fault. Laughable. If there is any bad faith present, it was clearly put forth by the Trump administration, and more pointedly relevant to our discourse...YOU.
Tomi on 8/1/2021 at 23:34
Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter. That's the end of the world for him.
lowenz on 8/1/2021 at 23:45
Quote Posted by Tomi
Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter. That's the end of the world for him.
It's an upgrade to his "satanic pedophile global network sacrificial victim" status.
Now he's a martyr, a saint.See why the whole *TODAY* idea behind "free speech" is perverted?
The real goal of speking everyday about "free speech" to Internet paranoid nerd minds is to create a saint-like figure that
THE EVIL (pedophiles!!!!) persecutes. And this figure is.....Trump.
A narcissistic billionaire that just becomes a saint.
It's utterly stupid but it works SO WELL from an electoral point of view.
SubJeff on 9/1/2021 at 00:04
I'm not watching a video.
You need to just tell me. It shouldn't be hard.
heywood on 9/1/2021 at 00:06
Quote Posted by Nicker
Strange that the police didn't have camera drones monitoring the perimeter. They knew about the rally and its intent. They would have seen the coverage in real time on TV: Rudy demanding trial by combat and T***p unleashing the mob. BLM could never have snuck up on them like that.
D.C. is no-fly zone, so no helicopters and no drones. Perhaps the Capitol police could have or should have an exception for using drones. They could have used one on Wed.
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I am pretty sure it's planned negligence by their command and control.
It was certainly negligent. It seems like they were planning for traffic control and crowd control as if they were hosting a Milo Yiannopoulos free speech rally. But negligent by intent? If you mean they actually wanted something like this to happen, I doubt it. But if you mean they wanted to treat the Trump crowd like friendly protesters, yeah. Obviously there was a double standard in how they prepared for protestors of different ilk.
Quote Posted by lowenz
It's not a bot, he really believes
I wasn't commenting on his beliefs, but the thoughtfulness of his responses. You're howling at the moon.
Gryzemuis on 9/1/2021 at 00:11
Pelosi brought up a valid point today. Voices from within the White House say that Trump is in a "Burn It All Down" mood. But the guy has still access to the nuclear launch-codes.
Nuts.
I've read stories that Nixon has had multiple nights in the White House where has was so drunk that he was ordering his generals to start a nuclear strike. Against Russia or whatever. The generals ignored him, and waited until Nixon was sober again the next day.
(
https://www.google.nl/search?complete=0&q=nixon%20drunk%20%20russia%20nuclear)
nbohr1more on 9/1/2021 at 00:20
Quote Posted by That Miserable Thief
No, it is not. Where was all of this evidence, and what exactly were the claims, in the 60+ failed lawsuits brought by Trump's lackeys? There was proper procedure to follow in their endeavor. They tried over 60 times and failed. Now, you are suggesting that the system is at fault. Laughable. If there is any bad faith present, it was clearly put forth by the Trump administration, and more pointedly relevant to our discourse...YOU.
When the courts refuse to hear the cases because they Judges, Special Prosecutors, etc are appointed by political parties apposed to the President of course they will fail.
How thick are you?
nbohr1more on 9/1/2021 at 00:23
Quote Posted by heywood
D.C. is no-fly zone, so no helicopters and no drones. Perhaps the Capitol police could have or should have an exception for using drones. They could have used one on Wed.
It was certainly negligent. It seems like they were planning for traffic control and crowd control as if they were hosting a Milo Yiannopoulos free speech rally. But negligent by intent? If you mean they actually wanted something like this to happen, I doubt it. But if you mean they wanted to treat the Trump crowd like friendly protesters, yeah. Obviously there was a double standard in how they prepared for protestors of different ilk.
I wasn't commenting on his beliefs, but the thoughtfulness of his responses. You're howling at the moon.
It is a laugh that anyone here would call me a bot when all this thread is filled with is regurgitation of mainstream media talking points.
There have been absolutely ZERO attempts to understand the Trump crowd outside the lens of "MSM said that Trump people believe or do X thing because...".
Who is a bot now?
