Draxil on 11/12/2020 at 06:03
Quote Posted by Cipheron
How silly. So he didn't vote *against* the Republicans on a bill they wrote, and that makes him THE "architect" of the whole thing. How dumb. The point is that if he had voted against it your lot wouldn't let him live it down that he was a traitor / pro-Islam by NOT voting for it. People seem to forget the whole fascistic "with us or against us" thing that Bush and the Republicans were doing especially in 2001-2003. The Republicans already had the majority and it was *their* bill.
Biden's vote didn't matter, so he chose to vote for what at the time appeared to be the "America First" choice. At the time the goal was to get Bush voted out in 2004, and that would have been harder if they gave Bush ammo to characterize Democrats as "weak on terrorism". The bill was passed literally 6 weeks after the September 11th attack. If literally every Democrat voted against it they would have been pilloried in the streets, and it would have STILL passed. Not only was Biden nowhere near the "architect" of this, his vote didn't even matter. It's the mere fact that he WAS a US senator, and basically everyone but one guy who was a Senator at the time voted for this. The vote was 99 to 1. Biden's entire link to the event was just BEING a Senator since everybody was on board. You can say Trump didn't vote for it purely because he wasn't a Senator in 2001. If he had been, of course the fucker would have voted for it, because EVERYBODY did.
This is a constant thing, for example people saying to vote against Clinton and for Republicans, because Bill Clinton didn't veto the
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which allowed the Glass Steagal Repeal. Despite, you know, all three of those people who wrote the damn bill, and which it's named after, being Republicans.
So Bill Clinton was president when Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was up and he didn't veto that, so I often heard Republicans call him the "architect" of that, yet Bush doesn't get any blame for not vetoing the Patriot Act apparently because Biden didn't vote against it, so it's Biden's baby now.
Sure, Democrats have made mistakes but to lay stuff that was clearly written and pushed entirely by Republicans as being entirely the Democrat's fault because they didn't push back hard enough is clearly a dumb reason to start voting Republican.
It's as if you hired a security guard and he failed to stop a rapist getting in your house. So the logical thing must be to fire the guard and hire the rapist as your doorman instead. You don't hire the monster who caused the whole thing because someone else failed to stop them.
He might just be taking Joe at his (
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/andrewkaczynski/surveillance-joe) word, which admittedly isn't worth much. Biden was sure happy to claim it as his own on enough occasions.
nemyax on 11/12/2020 at 07:56
Quote Posted by Starker
How would you feel about people talking about Russian savagery of going around and poisoning people with nerve gas or Russian culture of serving polonium tea, for example?
I admit there's a large-scale systemic problem with the Russian ways, and I'm not trying to gloss over it and blame it on random bad apples. I believe I know the reasons, and it can be solved, but currently there's absolutely no popular will to do that, only sheer impotence and fatalism.
Starker on 11/12/2020 at 08:09
So, what? Are you saying this is a problem with Russian culture and therefore Russians should not be given asylum or be allowed to immigrate into civilised countries?
nemyax on 11/12/2020 at 08:20
Starker
No, I'm saying, do a better job vetting who you let in. You know what you can expect, so look closely.
And once you've let them in, make sure they behave. It's your house, your rules.
june gloom on 11/12/2020 at 08:44
That sounds too hard. I propose a blanket Russian ban. Y'all can slav squat and cyka blyat all you want in Russia, thanks. We don't need you people poisoning someone for not liking grandma's borscht.
nemyax on 11/12/2020 at 09:20
StarkerApples and oranges. If you have hate crime gangs roaming about, that's a case of polonium poisoning, as it were. And you have to treat that particular condition. But if they are roaming outside, all you have to do is not let them in—don't drink that polonium in the first place.
Quote Posted by june gloom
That sounds too hard.
In that case, here's a knife in your heart in the name of the prophet and have a cuppa polonium.
june gloom on 11/12/2020 at 10:05
God, you really can't see your own hypocrisy.
Starker on 11/12/2020 at 10:26
So you're saying that people of Russian descent should not be let into other countries, because it's in Russian culture to murder dissidents abroad?