Cipheron on 4/12/2020 at 07:17

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Fraud is rare, of course, because someone needs to balance the chance of being caught (moderate) vs the punishment for being caught (severe) and the chance of your extra vote swinging the election (next to non-existent). There are far less risky things to do which give tangible returns.

Sending back mail ballots fraudulently is also overstated. After all, you GOT the mail so they know where you live. If you fake someone else's ballot who moved out, they kind of have a pretty good idea where to look for the culprit when the signature doesn't match.

So one vote is exceedingly unlikely to swing the election making anyone an idiot if they do this by themselves. But, even if you get enough people together to agree to lodge extra votes, then it's still better to renege on the plan. For example say 1000 people agree that 1000 extra votes will swing it, then each one can rationalize that 999 votes will surely still swing it, so they don't need to go through with it themselves, and can avoid the risk of 10 years in prison, Thus almost nobody does it. this explains a lot, where you get those campaigns for highly illegal risky events and lots of people say they're going but only 3 people turn up and thus they never actually do the illegal thing.

Cipheron on 4/12/2020 at 08:26

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Also the evidence is of poor quality. They seem to be of the opinion that having lots of bad evidence equals some good evidence, but in fact it signals the opposite: leading with bad evidence is a surefire sign you lack any good evidence, no matter how many bits you manage to dredge up.

Someone was spreading around a big list of proofs of the fraud as a copypasta, it was like 100 links or something to different news. I broke a couple down from the top of the list to check them out. most were news stories of "discarded ballots" but what they meant was examples of mail that wasn't delivered and ended up in the bin or on the street, not people's filled-out ballots being discarded by election workers. So if those are the ones they lead with heaven knows what was at the bottom of the list and it just proves the opposite: there is no good evidence or you wouldn't be feeding me this slop.

Basically, it's the Cheese Shop sketch from Monty Python. listing 100 types of cheese you don't have but insisting your shop definitely has cheese in there because with the sheer volume of types of cheese listed you're bound to have some somewhere.

Starker on 4/12/2020 at 14:41

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Just a small selection of what's in my article reading list right now:

* Rudy Giuliani (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/rudy-giuliani-fart) farts during a hearing. Twice.
* Giuliani's star witness was so off her rocker, (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/03/melissa-carone-michigan-trump-giuliani-election/) she drew audible laughter at the hearing and Giuliani himself was shushing her.
* Sidney Powell, a maybe member of Lord Dampnut's "elite legal strike force", (https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1334271662670426112) filed a notice of appearance in court and forgot to fill it out. Also, one of her plaintiffs said they didn't consent to being included in the suit.
* Apparently, (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/gina-haspel-found-dead/) based on one of those famous "Q drops", CIA Director Gina Haspel was arrested and/or died in connection with a raid US Army conducted to seize a server in Germany. Meanwhile, in the real world, the US Army denies the raid happened, the company alleged to be targeted doesn't have offices in Germany, and Gina Haspel seems to be alive and well. Y'know, a few minor details.
* Lord Dampnut appears to have (https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-am-02589ba2-29aa-4b5e-a0e4-86ba417446bc.html) fleeced 170 million dollars off his gullible supporters, some of which goes towards paying his debts and most into what appears to be a travel and leisure fund. Oh, and he plans to start running for 2024 at Biden's inauguration.
* The US hit (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) 14,545,884 coronavirus cases and 283,030 deaths (and counting). 4+ million cases in November alone.

heywood on 4/12/2020 at 18:08

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I know this freak show is just step one in Trump's 2024 campaign. All he's trying to do is sow doubt in the minds of his supporters so he can spend the next four years campaigning on the corrupt system, rigged elections theme. But it sure is embarrassing to watch. An epic train wreck. I don't know how Giuliani can share a stage with some of these nincompoops.

I was honestly surprised when Lin Wood and Sidney Powell held a rally in Georgia where they told Republican voters to boycott the upcoming Senate run-offs. If the Republicans lose these races, they will lose control of the Senate. And these activist Republican attorneys are telling Republicans not to vote. That just goes to show that these people did not jump on this bandwagon because they are well paid or want to further their political careers. They are full-blown QAnon nuts. Trump is playing with fire.

Cipheron on 4/12/2020 at 19:58

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That doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are a couple of scenarios consistent with actual existing QAnon logic:

(1) The Gina Haspel killed in Germany was Gina Haspel from the future, who time-traveled back to rig the election

Or

(2) The living Gina Haspel is a body double or merely a clone

One common saying in Q world is "you're watching a movie" to state that everything you see is fake news. But it's striking how much their grasp on reality does actually appear to be based on having seen too many movies.

The latest one is that the Deep State rigged the election with a super-computer called HAMMER running software called SCORECARD.
(https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/fact-check-debunking-the-hammer-and)

So this turns out to be a conspiracy theory concocted by veteran tech scammer called Dennis Montgomery.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_L._Montgomery)


He keeps pulling this stuff and you can bet with this guy he's angling for a big payout because of it. He hit it big in 2003 conning the Pentagon and he's been trying to replicate that ever since. Now, he's claiming he's the guy who built this HAMMER computer but it was then stolen by Obama to rig elections. So obviously he's hoping that catches on and then he's the go-to guy when asked what to do about it.