june gloom on 21/11/2020 at 22:03
Quote Posted by SubJeff
It'll never happen Tocky, it's too crazy.
I think the last four years have taught us that anything can happen. Democracy isn't just fragile, this administration has shown us that it's
fake. It's a collective hallucination of an abstract concept imagined as something concrete and inviolable, but anyone who peeks behind the curtain isn't going to find anything more than an empty room.
Democracy makes us extremely vulnerable to evil men. Democracy was Hitler's foot in the door. Democracy was Trump's foot in the door. American democracy has given us a hundred years of imperialist monsters with blood on their hands. All that's happened in the last eighty years wasn't just predictable, it was inevitable.
Tocky on 21/11/2020 at 23:28
Speaking of Nixon... Carl Bernstein, the veteran journalist whose work with his then-colleague Bob Woodward exposed the Watergate scandal, told The Hill: "We are watching a mad king in the final days of his reign, willing to scorch the earth of his country to bring down the whole system. It is sabotage. He is the first president in our history to really sabotage the interests of the United States and its people by his total willingness to undermine the electoral system."
I agree. He would burn each and every one of our institutions and each of us individually to placate his ego. The degree of his megalomania has yet to be plumbed and it's damned scary to contemplate.
Tony_Tarantula on 21/11/2020 at 23:37
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
The left has guns, too. And we don't have to worry about friendly fire since the enemy likes to wear bright red hats that say MAGA on them. It's not going to come to that, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be alone on declaring open hunting season if a Trump coup were actually successful.
Good. If it comes down to it you need to be willing to fight fascism.
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How do you get this figure?
2016 polling data.
It's down kinda but military/veteran support for him is disturbingly high. If it comes down to it there are options though. A lot of EU nations I'm sure would intervene to protect democracy.
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https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/10/military-times-poll-majority-of-veterans-support-trump-but-cracks-emerge-with-younger-generations/)
Has it occured to anyone else that maybe the reason trump shitfuck retards love to bitch about camps is because they know they deserve to be tortured in a camp themselves? After all we executed Nazis in prison after the war and these ones don't deserve leniancy because their attempt to impose white nationalism on the USA failed.
nemyax on 22/11/2020 at 07:02
Quote Posted by june gloom
Democracy isn't just fragile, this administration has shown us that it's
fake.
Get rid of universal suffrage then.
Jason Moyer on 22/11/2020 at 10:56
I think my favorite part of all this post-election nonsense is how Biden's campaign and/or people allied to him haven't really done anything whatsoever. It's like everyone is just kind of sitting back and enjoying the self-destruction show.
Starker on 22/11/2020 at 11:07
Well, if these 4 years have taught us nothing else, it's that Tony is just as insufferable pretending to be a violent leftist as he is as a right-wing reactionary.
Meanwhile, Lord Dampnut lost yet another court case, this time with a Republican-appointed judge who was a Federalist Society member and an NRA activist:
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https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/Order-Granting-MTD.pdf)
In this action, the Trump Campaign and the Individual Plaintiffs (collectively, the “Plaintiffs”) seek to discard millions of votes legally cast by Pennsylvanians from all corners - from Greene County to Pike County, and everywhere in between. In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens.
That has not happened. Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants' motions and dismiss Plaintiffs' action with prejudice.
Ouch, and that brilliant legal team was so confident too (Jenna Ellis is the second woman from that press conference where they laid bare the plot to steal the election, as hatched by Hugo Chavez, George Soros, Antifa, and their Democratic henchmen):
Though apparently it all went according to plan, since they later put out a statement that, "Today's decision turns out to help us in our strategy to get expeditiously to the U.S. Supreme Court."
This brings the total win-loss ratio to 2-34, although it's more like 1-35, currently, since the first victory (
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/17/pennsylvania-supreme-court-philadelphia-ballots-437082) was later overturned by the supreme court in Pennsylvania. (
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2020/11/12/trump-campaign-election-2020-presidential-pennsylvania-lawsuit-ballots-late-identification/stories/202011120132) The other court victory prevented the counting of a small number of mail-in ballots that arrived late and had been set aside, possibly preventing Biden from extending his lead slightly. The humiliating saga continues.
In other news, Prince Dampnut tested positive for COVID: (
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-jr-tests-positive-covid-19/story?id=74326915)
Kolya on 22/11/2020 at 11:23
Quote Posted by nemyax
Get rid of universal suffrage then.
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june gloom on 22/11/2020 at 12:08
Quote Posted by nemyax
Get rid of universal suffrage then.
That's it? That's your clever comeback? Your biting bon mot? Your robust riposte? That's literally your answer to a critique of democracy, taking away the right to vote? While it's clear that you're just flailing about in a desperate attempt to argue and you're really bad at it, you've shown your cards here. You'd
love to take away peoples' right to vote, wouldn't you?
The irony is that in your rush to show everyone how undemocratic you are in your half-assed defense of democracy, you colossally missed the point. Whether everyone votes or only Christian white men who own land and a wife are allowed to vote is immaterial. The core flaw of democracy (direct and representative) is this:
democracy is not the same thing as self-determination. Democracy can only function through coercion: by living in one we are forced to participate in it. Its sole purpose is to legitimatize the state, by giving people the sense that they are somehow participating in their own self-rule via an external body that, in fact, does all the ruling.
nemyax on 22/11/2020 at 12:29
Quote Posted by Kolya
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Mind you, for the first eighty-three of his seven thousand terms that guy was elected democratically. He wouldn't dream of taking away the poor's right to vote. That would be the end of him (assuming an actual election took place).
Draxil on 22/11/2020 at 14:00
Quote Posted by june gloom
That's it? That's your clever comeback? Your biting bon mot? Your robust riposte? That's literally your answer to a critique of democracy, taking away the right to vote? While it's clear that you're just flailing about in a desperate attempt to argue and you're really bad at it, you've shown your cards here. You'd
love to take away peoples' right to vote, wouldn't you?
The irony is that in your rush to show everyone how undemocratic you are in your half-assed defense of democracy, you colossally missed the point. Whether everyone votes or only Christian white men who own land and a wife are allowed to vote is immaterial. The core flaw of democracy (direct and representative) is this:
democracy is not the same thing as self-determination. Democracy can only function through coercion: by living in one we are forced to participate in it. Its sole purpose is to legitimatize the state, by giving people the sense that they are somehow participating in their own self-rule via an external body that, in fact, does all the ruling.
What's your preferred alternative? Really curious.
