Jason Moyer on 10/11/2020 at 06:31
The Nordic countries seem to be doing alright mixing entrepreneurship with a strong welfare state.
demagogue on 10/11/2020 at 06:50
Yes the connection to the senate races is at the kook core of this madness, since they want to push that the ballots are fake when it came to the Trump vote but they need literally the same ballots to legitimize the senate vote, those can't be fraudulent.
While I can't say this is the election we needed, this is probably the election we deserved.
[video=youtube;2BVfBhOwlfo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BVfBhOwlfo[/video]
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1325710953305026560)
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Edit: The rule of law really is an alien concept to this guy.
Exhibit 1:
Quote Posted by NBC
(
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/doj-s-election-crimes-chief-resigns-after-barr-directs-prosecutors-n1247220) DOJ's election crimes chief resigns after Barr directs prosecutors to probe voter fraud claims
The head of the branch of the Justice Department that prosecutes election crimes resigned Monday hours after Attorney General William Barr issued a memo to federal prosecutors to investigate “specific allegations” of voter fraud before the results of the presidential race are certified.
Richard Pilger, who was director of the Election Crimes Branch of the DOJ, sent a memo to colleagues that suggested his resignation was linked to Barr's memo, which was issued as the president's legal team mount baseless legal challenges to the election results, alleging widespread voter fraud cost him the race.
“Having familiarized myself with the new policy and its ramifications, and in accord with the best tradition of the John C. Keeney Award for Exceptional Integrity and Professionalism (my most cherished Departmental recognition), I must regretfully resign from my role as Director of the Election Crimes Branch,” Pilger's letter said, according to a copy obtained by NBC News.
Exhibit 2:
What happens when you have lackeys without law degrees (if they have any degree at all) trying to juggle complex litigation (he's suing several states to not count 10Ks of pro-Biden ballots because they were "fake", without money or evidence or competent lawyers) way before you even get to the complex part, like that part where you have to fill out the forms before you make an application.
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https://i.imgur.com/moWKQOe.jpglowenz on 10/11/2020 at 08:49
Quote Posted by howeird
I believe the reason Fox News is backing off is fact that republicans need the Georgia senate run-off to go republican. If Trump convinces enough republican voters that the system is rigged then they won't vote in the Georgia run-off for 2 senators they need have the majority in the senate. Lindsey Graham, Trump, and the other republicans are idiots to tell everyone the election process is rigged. More than likely many republicans may never vote again because they believe everything Trump says.:cheeky:
This is a good theory.
demagogue on 10/11/2020 at 09:34
Now I'm seeing posts where Trumpkins are saying things like Trump won, so I'll treat him like he's the president. What if Trump just pretends to still be President at Mar-a-Lago and his followers just believe it's real? He wouldn't be doing any more than he did as the actual president, and his followers were detached from reality anyway. It's the perfect solution! :laff:
Nameless Voice on 10/11/2020 at 12:36
Quote Posted by Tocky
Another thing is Parler being the new twitter because twitter developed a conscience and decided to flag lies. Now they can lie and echo chamber them into bigger lies.
Honestly, I'd rather have them hiding in their own echo chamber rather than being on a platform with actual reach.
It doesn't really solve the problem of them existing, but at least it limits them from spreading.
Quote Posted by nemyax
History doesn't have a single example of a poor freeloading society that made any significant progress. The reverse has always been true.
Define "progress".
I'm going to assume you mean the old story that competition drives innovation - the line that everyone always brings out to defend capitalism.
Prioritising research above everything else is fine for a game of Civilization, but in real life it feels like a very poor justification for all of the suffering and misery that capitalism causes - and it's generally the only justification for capitalism that anyone can come up with.
And that's even assuming that the "progress through private enterprise" myth is true - which it isn't. Most of the great innovative strides in recent times have been made through government-funded research, rather than by private entrepreneurs. Even when private companies make great innovations, it's usually off the back of government grants and subsidies.
(Here's an article on the above from New Scientist: (
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929310-200-state-of-innovation-busting-the-private-sector-myth/) State of innovation: Busting the private-sector myth.)
nemyax on 10/11/2020 at 12:54
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
I'm going to assume you mean the old story that competition drives innovation - the line that everyone always brings out to defend capitalism.
Not only that; improvements to the human condition also. It was capitalist Western society (the British in particular) that drove the worldwide struggle against slavery, and won. It was the West that gradually reduced the terrorist cult of Christianity to the harmless curiosity it is today. It was Western Europe that eventually developed the concept of human rights and actually worked to uphold those rights.
Notice that none of these are left-wing achievements and cannot be appropriated as such. What were lefties doing when the European Convention on Human Rights was being prepared? They were running the Gulag, trying to starve West Berlin and stealing tech from accursed capitalists.
SubJeff on 10/11/2020 at 13:39
You see the world in such simple ways.
No surprises.
Nameless Voice on 10/11/2020 at 13:55
It was capitalist Western society that introduced wide-scale slavery in the first place. Currently, two of the most capitalist societies in the world - the USA and China - are two of the main countries that still practice slavery to this day. Meanwhile, it's almost unheard of in the social democracies of Europe.
The main abolitionists - people who "stole" slaves from their masters and brought them to Canada/Mexico (or, later, the Union) to be free were most certainly leftist anti-capitalists - they were breaking property laws to do what they saw as right.
I'd argue that it's increasing education that has lead to the decline in religion, not capitalism. Education which is, at least in this part of the world, a social goal, not a private enterprise.
(Education is generally free or at least state-subsidised in social democracies.)
A lot of the human rights stuff was brought in by leftists governments that came to power after the world wars. You're somehow implying that anything that happened in the west (Western Europe and the USA) is somehow "capitalist", regardless of who brought it in or what their motivations were.
Another one of the great societal achievements of the 20th century was the establishment of the NHS in the UK - free healthcare for all. That was very much brought in by a leftist Labour government after WW2, and is generally considered to be one of the best healthcare systems in the world - despite the right-wing parties having tried to systematically dismantle it for the last 40+ years.
