Thor on 6/11/2020 at 19:59
Quote Posted by Tomi
I bet Thor is one of those QAnon nutters.:
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Eh, whatever. Not that I came with scientific sources like The Wallstreet Journal (being actually kinda edgy here for once with that sarcasm), but only about 1 person seems to have produced an actual reply to me. Thank you Nameless Voice. I have fond memories of your impressive Temple and TAC FMs.
Jason Moyer on 6/11/2020 at 20:03
Quote Posted by Renzatic
I doubt he'll win Pennsylvania. He's too far behind there.
[video=youtube;Iht75-LF7mE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iht75-LF7mE[/video]
nickie on 6/11/2020 at 20:04
I thought the demon semen woman was his spiritual advisor.
rachel on 6/11/2020 at 20:11
Quote Posted by nemyax
raphMy point is, the level of the rhetoric doesn't matter. It's no use trying.
It absolutely does matter. This place has historically a low tolerance for mediocrity, sometimes arguments here can feel like you're armed with a water pistol in the middle of Pearl Harbor. If you can't argue your piece, you're out. But you
must stand by, and defend, what you post, and accept opposing arguments, if you want to be taken seriously. That's what makes it a debate.
Thor on 6/11/2020 at 20:16
Quote Posted by raph
It absolutely does matter. This place has historically a low tolerance for mediocrity, sometimes arguments here can feel like you're armed with a water pistol in the middle of Pearl Harbor. If you can't argue your piece, you're out. But you
must stand by, and defend, what you post, and accept opposing arguments, if you want to be taken seriously. That's what makes it a debate.
Wait, what? :joke:
:laff:
Ok.
Vae on 6/11/2020 at 20:17
Quote Posted by nemyax
Yep, it promptly gets shot down with the obligatory courtesy of belittling the intelligence of the person with that viewpoint. Without any explanation of course, it just goes without saying.
This is due to the fact that many of the people here in CommChat are either Left or far-Left in alignment. Most of them don't realize that they live in psychological bubble, and simply refer to it as "correct thinking", or "good people think this way"...which is eternally sustained by a programmed social feedback construct (echo chamber)...This type of behavior is rooted in tribalism, where social pressure to comply with tribal wishes supersedes the value of
critical thinking. If one falls outside the bounds of this tribal edict, they are typically pelted with an array of insults, as an instinct to preserve tribal cohesion.
This is both a good and bad thing, functionally. The good part is that people are vigilant and wary to true threats that can diminish the quality of the community, such as a mean-spirited troll (e.g. Bruder Murdas). The bad part is when this same defense mechanism becomes intertwined with an ideology that is intolerant of other ideologies or people that don't fit within its tight borders of acceptable thinking. Even if that person is of good intention and is well-reasoned, if the argument runs contrary to the ideological programming, it will be perceived as a threat to tribal cohesion and that person will be shot down.
It is this type of prejudicial thinking (on both sides) that will contribute to the escalation of civil unrest in the coming time.
Renzatic on 6/11/2020 at 20:38
Isn't it funny how all the people who continually insist on psychoanalyzing us rarely ever engage in actual discussion?
Nameless Voice on 6/11/2020 at 20:39
Most people on TTLG are in Europe, which is (predominately) social democracies.
Biden is on the right for us. Angela Merkel is on the right for us (well, she's more centre-right, even though most of her party is more right than her personally.)
That's only "far left" because the USA has moved so far to the right that even someone as conservative as Biden is considered "extreme left" there.
The only person here who ever expresses "extreme left" views that I can see is June Gloom.
Either way, even if you don't take any of the left/right thing into consideration, seeing through Trump shouldn't even be a partisan thing.
The man is a habitual liar. You only have to watch him speaking for five minutes and you can tell that he's deeply dishonest.
Me, personally, if someone blatantly lies to me, I'm going to start assuming everything else they say is a lie too. Why would anyone believe someone who blatantly and repeatedly lies to them?
And that's not just a "right" thing. I've become increasingly distrustful of some of the left-leaning parties here in Ireland - ones I used to respect - because they've been increasingly dishonest lately, trying to distort facts and mislead for political gain. That kind of thing is not acceptable from anyone, on any side of the political spectrum - and gets less acceptable the more extreme the lies are.
heywood on 6/11/2020 at 20:41
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
How would the elections have gone if covid-19 hadn't happened? I think Trump would have won another 4 years.
I doubt it made much difference. COVID-19 quickly turned into a political issue and ever since late spring/early summer, people's opinions about the COVID-19 response have been falling in line with their political views. For the most part, COVID-19 didn't drive people to change who they support politically. Instead, who they support politically drove them to change their views on COVID-19.
Vae on 6/11/2020 at 21:13
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
Most people on TTLG are in Europe, which is (predominately) social democracies.
Biden is on the right for us. Angela Merkel is on the right for us (well, she's more centre-right, even though most of her party is more right than her personally.)
Yes, I should have noted I was using the U.S. relative standard...but the point remains intact.
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That's only "far left" because the USA has moved so far to the right that even someone as conservative as Biden is considered "extreme left" there.
Actually, things have polarized on the Left and the Right, and that's a lot of the reason for the increased tension. Behind the curtain of Biden (AOC, Sanders, etc) represents what is moving more to the left than before, and likewise tension increases with the counter-reaction on the Right, with Nationalism.
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Either way, even if you don't take any of the left/right thing into consideration, seeing through Trump shouldn't even be a partisan thing.
The man is a habitual liar. You only have to watch him speaking for five minutes and you can tell that he's deeply dishonest.
Me, personally, if someone blatantly lies to me, I'm going to start assuming everything else they say is a lie too. Why would anyone believe someone who blatantly and repeatedly lies to them?
Many people in the USA who support Trump realize he's not perfect, but they choose him because they view the other choice on the Left as a fundamental threat to our Constitutional Republic...which is the highest priority.
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And that's not just a "right" thing. I've become increasingly distrustful of some of the left-leaning parties here in Ireland - ones I used to respect - because they've been increasingly dishonest lately, trying to distort facts and mislead for political gain. That kind of thing is not acceptable from anyone, on any side of the political spectrum - and gets less acceptable the more extreme the lies are.
Unfortunately, that's the nature of politics...power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I can appreciate your frustration, and I agree with you...that's why I'm fundamentally against the centralization of power, and for localized, decentralized power, in order to have more control and accountability to those who are granted power by the people.
