Renzatic on 2/11/2020 at 23:43
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
From what I understand, it's complicated. It generally takes a lot of longer to count postal votes than in-person votes.
Trump will likely declare victory on election night, before they've counted the mail-in ballots.
Yup, that's exactly what will happen, and Kavanaugh has already stated that SCOTUS will support this decision if and when it happens.
Vae is right about one thing: it's going to be a clusterfuck. There's no doubt about that in my mind. With so many people doing everything they can to insure a victory, come hell or high water, there's no way it'll end up being a clean election.
SubJeff on 2/11/2020 at 23:44
Just trying to understand. You don't have to tell me, but now I get it at least.
I'm not in an upper-class bubble. I don't know what you think upper-class means here but I'm almost certain you've got it wrong.
I don't think queer/trans people here are scared to vote, so...
Starker on 3/11/2020 at 02:08
Who needs a world-renowned expert on infectious diseases at the height of a pandemic?
[video=youtube;tdOd7jhNPaM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdOd7jhNPaM[/video]
demagogue on 3/11/2020 at 02:32
Will Trumpism stick around even if Trump loses? That's the possibility that makes prosecution important after he leaves office, to snuff out the cult mentality at its roots, although it's important that the process be transparent, fair, and independent -- that the evidence is very open and incontrovertible to at least people making a half-assed attempt at looking at it without bias -- or it just alienates the Right to isolate itself even more.
Quote Posted by The Daily Beast
(https://www.thedailybeast.com/democrats-and-republicans-agree-trumps-here-to-stay-even-if-he-loses-the-election) Republicans: Trump Will Be Our Leader, Even if He LosesAlthough President Donald Trump could lose his bid for re-election on Tuesday night, top officials in both parties are bracing for a world in which he and the brand of politics he unleashed remain a predominant force for the foreseeable future.
Trumpism as a movement has redefined the political landscape in ways that few operatives believe is reversible. The president and his team have plans to try and make it as difficult as possible for former Vice President Joe Biden to undo their accomplishments, should Biden emerge victorious on Tuesday. And, perhaps most notably, Trump has privately signaled that he has no desire to leave the stage quietly in defeat.
The president has talked with aides about potentially continuing rallies after the election, a source familiar with the planning said. He has recently joked with others about running again in 2024 in the event he is a one-termer, and also to see media, Democrats, and “RINO” heads explode, according to two people who've heard him say so. Even absent another presidential run, his top congressional and political allies and family members seem poised to inherit the movement that he has birthed.
Collectively, those factors point to the most stubborn of potential outcomes on Tuesday: a political universe that has just gone through a massive tectonic shift, but with the same protagonist at its center.
“If Trumpism is just nasty tweets, then fine. That won't endure,” said Joe Grogan, formerly a top domestic policy adviser to Trump. “But directionally, he's reshaped the Republican Party. And the country.”
No institution seems more likely to reflect the impact of Trump—even in the wake of a possible defeat—than the Republican Party itself.
For all of his platitudes about Ronald Reagan, Trump succeeded in vanquishing much of what remained of the Gipper's GOP. A party once organized around the principles of limited government, public morality, and foreign military intervention has been wholly subsumed by a president who rails against free trade, criticizes efforts to reform U.S. entitlement programs, vows to withdraw U.S. troops from both hostile and allied nations, and shells out six-figure hush-money payments to his mistresses.
“The populist wave that allowed Donald Trump to overrun the Republican Party and powered him to the presidency isn't showing any signs of ebbing—with or without him in the White House,” said Republican strategist Colin Reed. “After beginning to percolate in the early years of the Obama era, the movement found its vessel to relevance when Trump burst on the scene in 2015. The days of a GOP that stands for free trade, open borders, and internationalism are less likely to return than a party that splits into multiple factions.”
The full scale of the shift was evident in Georgia this year, where two Republicans vying for one of the state's U.S. Senate seats, Sen. Kelly Loeffler and Rep. Doug Collins, competed to prove who was the more committed Trump backer. They did so by lavishing praise on Trump, of course, but they also made the president's antagonists their own. They each alleged that their opponent was secretly allied with Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT)—the sole GOP vote to convict the president during impeachment—around whom nearly every Republican in the country had rallied just eight years earlier when he ran for president.
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Edit: Also, this has to win top headline for the election (from the Onion) --
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https://politics.theonion.com/i-am-a-serial-rapist-announces-trump-in-final-pitch-1845552991) ‘I Am A Serial Rapist,' Announces Trump In Final Pitch Before Election
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Edit2: America really is a nice place that deserves leadership that is competent & reflects our values.
[video=youtube;jjyhDMNB400]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjyhDMNB400[/video]
Pyrian on 3/11/2020 at 04:37
If Trump loses this election and is still alive and kicking in 2024, I think it's basically inevitable that he'll run again. Whether he'll win the nomination depends a lot on how the Republican voters take his loss. I don't think they'll be as forgiving as many think - losing isn't going to be good for his image.
nemyax on 3/11/2020 at 05:33
Quote Posted by demagogue
I mean it's a given the Left take to the streets, but if the Right does it too
Is it OK if the Left take to the streets but not OK if the Right do it?
demagogue on 3/11/2020 at 05:55
It's okay for anybody to take to the streets. It's a first amendment right.
My point is just that our country doesn't have (recent) experience with widespread white identity politics or putsch rhetoric from the right, so I think it may take people off guard and unleash emotions people haven't been prepared to deal with. Maybe.
It's not the protests that would be the issue, but the kinds of violence that could break out if violence breaks out. I mean, is it the kind the police will police?
Well, in the part you quoted, really I was just speaking in terms of two sides meeting and egging for a fight, the chance of bad mojo then, as opposed to just one group in a place where that doesn't happen, like historically is usually the case. It could have been left or right that's historically the "silent" one, it's just in our historical context it's been right. (So e.g., they haven't been habituated that in these cases you need a buffer zone.)
But I also think emotions might get unleashed that people haven't been habituated to be skeptical of and check or play down. It's not a fear or even a prediction, just a thought. I honestly don't know what to expect. Also though, Dems are basically "the mainstream right" in this calculus, and Reps that would take to the streets the far right. So the political calculus is already off kilter.
People expressing themselves in the streets is what the country is all about and isn't a problem as long as it's kept largely non-violent.
SubJeff on 3/11/2020 at 09:20
Where's the best place to watch the coverage online? This is shaping up to be the most interesting US election yet.
Harvester on 3/11/2020 at 09:28
I'm actually quite nervous for the coming days, I'm worried that the results will be contested and widespread riots will break out and/or armed militias will take to the streets. Stay safe everyone!
Starker on 3/11/2020 at 11:08
Quote Posted by demagogue
Will Trumpism stick around even if Trump loses?
Isn't that a given? I mean, does anyone really think that white grievance politics will magically disappear or that the QAnon believers will suddenly come to their senses or that Lord Dampnut and his supporters will just go quietly away and not try to sabotage the next administration as much as humanly possible?
I don't know what kind of truth and reconciliation you're going to need or what's even possible at this point, but if Biden wins, that will be the just the first step in a very long road of trying to undo at least part of the damage inflicted on the US both domestically as well as abroad. And that's not even mentioning all the long-running and deep-seated problems with race, debt, health care, education, gun violence, climate, criminal system, etc.