SubJeff on 17/10/2020 at 14:32

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I've just redone it, same place as raph - I get -5.63, -4.05.



This is partly why you're (as a nation) a laughing stock. Why do you have just use words willy nilly?

My score proves you wrong on your opinion of my politics. The difference is I'm not just "nice" about it, I have reasons for my opinions. I'm not a TERF, because I'm not a RF. I don't believe in equality of outcomes for male and female workers for example. I think Jordan Peterson gets a lot if the pay-gap arguments right, but not all.

The problem is, from a US point of view everyone is similar to X or Y party. But even our Conservative party, which is decidedly right wing, is further left than the Democrats. Think about that.

E.g. There is a discussion about making abortion illegal again in the US. That would be impossible in England. Just the discussion is laughable. The only reason it has any traction in Northern Ireland is the religious nutjobs. Have the Democrats EVER raised the potential of statutory paid maternity leave in the USA? Ours may be naff compared to a lot of European countries' but at least we have it. And childbirth? How much does it cost in the USA? $10k? 15k?In the UK it's free at the point of care, and actually free for 1000s of people (because they never paid the tax for it).

I mean, your lottery wins are taxed, lol. Regulation of medicines is very tight (which is nice) but you're market driven enough that prescription medicine is marketed to consumers. To us in the UK that's INSANE. It's just unthinkable. But then people take Vicodin for fun there! Vicodin! It's incredible how different the USA is to the rest of "Westernised" countries, including NZ and Oz.

Gryzemuis on 17/10/2020 at 15:26

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I do.

That doesn't mean I don't sympathize with them. I can understand why they don't like the Democrats. As you wrote, the Democrats are pro-big business, pro-free trade, pro "the market will solve everything". They are pure capitalists. "If you don't have any money, go fuck yourselves". "If you did something that made you money, no matter what, you did good, we respect you". That's the American Way. Both Democrats and Republicans think that way. So yes, I don't like the Democratic Party.

What I don't understand is that all those Republican-voters think that the Republican Party is going to be different. Why do they think the Republicans care about the well-being of the middle-class and the working-class ? The Republicans have done fuck-all for the general population. And they will continue to do fuck all for the general population. That's why I think most of them are idiots. They refuse to vote for Charles Manson, so they vote for Satan ? (Pardon my crude example).

Starker on 17/10/2020 at 16:01

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I can't remember the last time it took me more than 10 minutes to vote. And that includes turning on the computer, finding my ID card, connecting the card reader, updating the software etc...

Even if I wanted to physically go to a polling station, it's only 5 minutes away and the voting itself never takes very long and the voter card arrives in mail before. But it would take me more time just going there and back than it takes me to vote from the comfort of my home, so I just don't bother.

So that's why I'm absolutely stunned to learn somewhere in the world people wait in line upwards of 10 whole friggin' hours to exercise one of the most fundamental rights in a modern democratic state:
(https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189)

Harvester on 17/10/2020 at 17:12

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You think it’s just the type of people that TTLG attracts that causes everyone here to end up in the lower left quadrant, or is that also the quadrant that most people in general end up? I mean more than the other quadrants? Or is the general population pretty evenly distributed among the quadrants?

This is the first time I’ve taken the test and I genuinely thought I would end up closer to center. It’s interesting for sure.

heywood on 17/10/2020 at 17:38

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It's stunning but simple to explain. The rise of internet news and social media let people live in information bubbles, which exaggerated a left/right split to the point where there are few if any swing voters. With so few people to convince, it's all about turnout. Trump's support hasn't wavered much from the 40% mark, but his supporters are motivated, so the Republican strategy is to suppress the vote of the other side. Winning and ruling has become more important than our Constitution and all the Democratic principles we were trying to spread around the world for 70 years. It's not just embarrassing, it scares the crap out of me and I don't know what the solution is. I've always opposed compulsory voting on civil liberty grounds, but I'm starting to wonder about that.